Tesla sales drop in Europe for fifth month in a row
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Apart of Elon being idiot why would we even consider buying Tesla anyway? Competition is much better when it comes to things like access to authorized service. Charging network is a non-issue in Europe as we have full roaming and one socket standard and brands like Kia, Mercedes or even BYD have competitive prices while all being great quality.
Rivian seems better in literally every way, isn't it?
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That is the one credit I will give to Tesla and Musk, they made the EV not only a realistic choice, but actually cool.
The original Model S was a cool car when it was launched, but now there are plenty of other cooler alternatives.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's not rare for the first company to bring a product to market to not be the top dog once other companies get involved.
For instance, Kodak pretty much invented the digital camera, but Canon and Nikon are the clear leaders now while Kodak's digital camera division was sold off.
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Also, one huge Pro to not having a tesla is not having to worry about it blowing up for no reason.
c'mon, incidental explosions are what make life exciting!
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According to Tim Urban's blog article on Tesla and Muck from 2015, one of Muck's stated goals was to jumpstart the other auto manufacturers into producing their own EVs to accelerate the trend toward a more sustainable energy future. Whether that was true then or now is irrelevant, but it is nice to see EVs of many brands being made and purchased. Obligatory Fuck Muck, existential disappointment that he will forever be.
The current move towards electrification would not have happened or would have taken a lot over without Tesla. The Model 3 really was a huge breakthrough by showing that you can build a car that people actually want to drive and make it affordable. That pretty much made all the excuses of the incumbents moot.
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It's not rare for the first company to bring a product to market to not be the top dog once other companies get involved.
For instance, Kodak pretty much invented the digital camera, but Canon and Nikon are the clear leaders now while Kodak's digital camera division was sold off.
In Tesla's case, its because they rushed to beat the competition. You'll notice they were a "tech company" not a traditional car company. The actual car companies came out with mature, fully baked, offerings rather than trying to be the first.
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Rivian seems better in literally every way, isn't it?
It's been a while since I looked at EVs, but my (US) experience at the time was that Tesla was one of very few companies offering sedan-shaped EVs. The US market was full of crossovers & SUVs (like Rivian), and that form factor seems antagonistic to many of the things that make high performance, long range EVs: terrible aerodynamics, high body weight, poor visibility... They're big enough to fill will batteries to compensate for the poor efficiency, but that just raises costs.
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It's not rare for the first company to bring a product to market to not be the top dog once other companies get involved.
For instance, Kodak pretty much invented the digital camera, but Canon and Nikon are the clear leaders now while Kodak's digital camera division was sold off.
It’s not rare for the first company to bring a product to market to not be the top dog once other companies get involved.
Except Tesla wasn't the first mass market EV. It wasn't even the second. The first would be the GM EV1 in 1997:
Many would argue that the EV1 doesn't count because it was on old technology. Fine then, the Nissan Leaf from 2009 then sporting its lithium battery:
Tesla Model S brought performance, range and styling that both of those were missing. However, we don't need Tesla anymore in the world if Musk is still benefiting from it.
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It's been a while since I looked at EVs, but my (US) experience at the time was that Tesla was one of very few companies offering sedan-shaped EVs. The US market was full of crossovers & SUVs (like Rivian), and that form factor seems antagonistic to many of the things that make high performance, long range EVs: terrible aerodynamics, high body weight, poor visibility... They're big enough to fill will batteries to compensate for the poor efficiency, but that just raises costs.
Had a conversation about this the other day with a coworker, albeit about ICE cars but still applicable I think. Car manufacturers made tremendous progress in effeciency and negated all of that by justifying making their cars 2x bigger than they were 20 years ago. It's ridiculous. A modern Subaru Outback is about the same size as a mid-90s Suburban. Gets about the same mileage as my 2001 Outback, even with all the effeciency tech
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Apart of Elon being idiot why would we even consider buying Tesla anyway? Competition is much better when it comes to things like access to authorized service. Charging network is a non-issue in Europe as we have full roaming and one socket standard and brands like Kia, Mercedes or even BYD have competitive prices while all being great quality.
I am unaware of any other EV that has sentry mode on the cameras like that on the Tesla. Would absolutely love to be proven wrong.
AFAIK Kia has a Korean only release EV6 that had it, but none of the other options utilise the whole suite of cameras to record.
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I am unaware of any other EV that has sentry mode on the cameras like that on the Tesla. Would absolutely love to be proven wrong.
AFAIK Kia has a Korean only release EV6 that had it, but none of the other options utilise the whole suite of cameras to record.
But is it needed on anything other than a Tesla?
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Europeans still aren't buying Teslas with figures out Wednesday showing sales plunged for a fifth month in a row in May, a blow to investors who had hoped anger toward Elon Musk would have faded by now.
Tesla sales fell 28% last month in 30 European countries even as the overall market for electric vehicles expanded sharply, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association. The poor showing comes after Tesla's billionaire CEO had promised a “major rebound” was coming last month, adding to a recent buying frenzy among investors.
They were selling on Wednesday, pushing the prices down more than 4% in early afternoon trading.
Sad part is that they’re getting outcompeted by the Chinese EVs, not the European carmakers. The whole money will just fund CCP’s ambitions instead of US ambitions, neither of which is good for European future
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But is it needed on anything other than a Tesla?
I've had a Ford (mid range SUV) and a Toyota (base model sedan) which were both damaged whilst parked, and nobody left a note. Lots of people posting in the community groups about carpark damage and no notes being left, and no luck with local cameras.
So yes, it is needed.
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It's been a while since I looked at EVs, but my (US) experience at the time was that Tesla was one of very few companies offering sedan-shaped EVs. The US market was full of crossovers & SUVs (like Rivian), and that form factor seems antagonistic to many of the things that make high performance, long range EVs: terrible aerodynamics, high body weight, poor visibility... They're big enough to fill will batteries to compensate for the poor efficiency, but that just raises costs.
Fair points! In my mind I guess I was thinking cyber truck vs. Rivian truck.
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It's not rare for the first company to bring a product to market to not be the top dog once other companies get involved.
For instance, Kodak pretty much invented the digital camera, but Canon and Nikon are the clear leaders now while Kodak's digital camera division was sold off.
I love Snappiness's videos about Kodak and I'll never sell my lumpy little DCS Pro 14n
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It’s not rare for the first company to bring a product to market to not be the top dog once other companies get involved.
Except Tesla wasn't the first mass market EV. It wasn't even the second. The first would be the GM EV1 in 1997:
Many would argue that the EV1 doesn't count because it was on old technology. Fine then, the Nissan Leaf from 2009 then sporting its lithium battery:
Tesla Model S brought performance, range and styling that both of those were missing. However, we don't need Tesla anymore in the world if Musk is still benefiting from it.
Electric cars have been around for a very long time. According to Wikipedia, in 1912, 38% of 33,842 cars in the US were electric.
I think that Tesla showed that a modern performance car could be electric. It made electric cars cool again.
I would never be caught in a Tesla though.
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I am unaware of any other EV that has sentry mode on the cameras like that on the Tesla. Would absolutely love to be proven wrong.
AFAIK Kia has a Korean only release EV6 that had it, but none of the other options utilise the whole suite of cameras to record.
A lot of smart features are not even being dreamed of by other companies... Hell, the most you might get is scanning your phone to just open the car, but not drive.
Tesla is technologically 2 generations ahead. But no one here will admit it. But do go to a dealer and ask how they compare, they at least will be honest. The most honest was Porche in my experience and surprisingly, BYD was good at listing all the things not in their car (with million excuses how it's okay and I'll get used to it).
The worst? Ford. MG also tried to make shit up how it might be added in software! Bitch please, you haven't got over the air updates working.
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Sad part is that they’re getting outcompeted by the Chinese EVs, not the European carmakers. The whole money will just fund CCP’s ambitions instead of US ambitions, neither of which is good for European future
I hate how much BYD pays people off. And they're suing people in China for "damaging their brand". I guess so did Tesla that one time, but only one of them runs slave camps (including outside of China).
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Europeans still aren't buying Teslas with figures out Wednesday showing sales plunged for a fifth month in a row in May, a blow to investors who had hoped anger toward Elon Musk would have faded by now.
Tesla sales fell 28% last month in 30 European countries even as the overall market for electric vehicles expanded sharply, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association. The poor showing comes after Tesla's billionaire CEO had promised a “major rebound” was coming last month, adding to a recent buying frenzy among investors.
They were selling on Wednesday, pushing the prices down more than 4% in early afternoon trading.
a blow to investors who had hoped anger toward Elon Musk would have faded by now
Methinks they may have underestimated Elonazi's dickishness, stupidity, arrogance, and power to piss people off...
OMG that's funny.
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Europeans still aren't buying Teslas with figures out Wednesday showing sales plunged for a fifth month in a row in May, a blow to investors who had hoped anger toward Elon Musk would have faded by now.
Tesla sales fell 28% last month in 30 European countries even as the overall market for electric vehicles expanded sharply, according to the European Automobile Manufacturers’ Association. The poor showing comes after Tesla's billionaire CEO had promised a “major rebound” was coming last month, adding to a recent buying frenzy among investors.
They were selling on Wednesday, pushing the prices down more than 4% in early afternoon trading.
Needs to be in the negative worldwide.
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I've had a Ford (mid range SUV) and a Toyota (base model sedan) which were both damaged whilst parked, and nobody left a note. Lots of people posting in the community groups about carpark damage and no notes being left, and no luck with local cameras.
So yes, it is needed.
And that's a very fair point, but at least around me, the deductible costs about 100€ if someone damages my car while it's legally parked. I'm not going to worry much about someone dinging my car once in a blue moon with that kind of deductible, and I'm definately not going to pay ekstra to get a fancy camera system.
