president of peace everybody
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And people really think congress wouldnt vote for war? Lol...
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Seems pretty epicly pointless to try to force a vote against Israel's interests in the US congress. It will be unanimously shot down, like every other bill that Israel has any interest in.. Sanders know this. So why is he pretending a vote in congress is the big goal that we need to make noise about?
Sanders wont even call the war on Palestine a genocide. If he wants to actually do something effective here he should be forcing AIPAC to be registered as a foreign lobby, like JFK tried to do right before he was assassinated. Otherwise Bernie is just wasting everyone's time, and keeping the left busy yelling for a vote to happen that we have absolutely zero chance of winning.
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The whole civil war in Syria was an example. Assad was being backed by Iran, Syria's current president Ahmed al-Sharaa started as an al Qaeda fighter because al Qaeda was aligned against the government, whereas Hezbollah backed it.
You can't understand the middle east unless you understand the Shia and Sunni groups and their hostility towards each-other. Pretending Iran supports anybody that says "death to America" means you're about as knowledgeable about middle east politics as George W. Bush who tried to explain everything with "they hate us for our freedoms".
You don't understand geopolitics in general if you're seeing everything from the ultra-atheist anti-religion perspective.
Interests are more significant than religious bullshit. In a theocracy religion is a tool the government uses to propagandize the public. Clearly Iran sees Israel and the US as enemy and they'll use anyone will to weaken their enemies. Yup, they will even direct propaganda at you regardless of your beliefs if it serves their interests.
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You don't understand geopolitics in general if you're seeing everything from the ultra-atheist anti-religion perspective.
Interests are more significant than religious bullshit. In a theocracy religion is a tool the government uses to propagandize the public. Clearly Iran sees Israel and the US as enemy and they'll use anyone will to weaken their enemies. Yup, they will even direct propaganda at you regardless of your beliefs if it serves their interests.
Clearly Iran sees Israel and the US as enemy and they'll use anyone will to weaken their enemies
Clearly that isn't true. You seem to have an overly simplistic view of geopolitics, and no idea what's happening in the middle east. The enemy of my enemy isn't my friend or my ally. They may also be my enemy.
In this case, Iran is a Shia theocracy. That means they support Shia groups and use those groups to try to fight against Sunni groups.
For example, Al-Ashtar Brigades is a Shia group that is fighting to overthrow the Sunni monarchy of Bahrain. Hezbollah is a Shia group backed by Iran. Al Qaeda is a Sunni group. IS/ISIS/ISIL are Sunni groups. All these groups are anti-American, but what's much more important to them is the Shia / Sunni divide.
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Diaper Don gonna order brown people to get bombed so he 'looks like a tough man".
Fuck that guy and everyone who voted for him. Or chose not to vote. Fuck you even more.
There is absolutely ZERO reason to believe that those who didnt vote would have voted for Harris. In fact, every person I know who didnt vote are trump defenders. Every one. Every. Single. One.
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so same as it ever was. You think this issue with Israel is new?
Its being used to fool arrogant people like you to not vote. You still havent provided me with a prezzo who has been against funding israel. decades this has been happening and aaaaalll of a sudden kamala runs and people care? You got conned, buddy boy.
I got conned when I voted for Biden in 2020 thinking he could be pushed on this, instead we got a genocide.
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Potato potato
From the point of view of the people the bombs are falling on - agreed.
...but it's important that Congress has effectively been removed from the decision making process for 60 years now. Presidents have been acting unilaterally for a long time, which makes it hard to criticise trump when he does the same.
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I got conned when I voted for Biden in 2020 thinking he could be pushed on this, instead we got a genocide.
genocide was happening when you were 1 years old. You just only paid attention now because--and I gotta stress this--you were conned.
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OMG that's hilarious. We haven't declared war since WWII. But how many presidents have done just that? Good luck with that argument.
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Come on it is not a war, but a special military operation....
A "Police Action."
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Yeah unfortunately that is not actually the way the law is written Bernie. Wish it was.
Short version, the president gets to deploy the military where ever he wishes (outside the US, posse comitatus etc). That includes invading a sovereign nation or raining missiles down on one.
Only congress has the power to declare a war, but the Potus gets to defacto kick off the war and then dare congress not to back him.
After it was either 60 or 90 days, I forget, congress gets to "review" the decision, the problem is they have no power other than financial if they wish to stop the war. So the only thing they can do is turn off the finances to the military, and wait for the money to run out - which is generally up to a year. They have no way of forcing the president to desist other than impeachment or cutting off the funds.
They can pass a motion, or even legislation, which the Prez can then veto, pointless. If they can muster the 2/3rds of congress they can remove him via impeachment.
Edit, spelling correction and to note that I can pull out the full details if needed - was discussed heavily on reddit a while ago
This is how we ended up with the Iran-Contra Scandal. The Reagan administration wanted to fight the growing communist forces in Nicaragua, but Congress forbid them, and denied them funding.
They decided to find the money by selling highly inflated arms to our bitterest enemy at the time, IRAN, only a few short years after they had held our Embassy officials hostage for over a year.
They took the profits of those illegal arms sales, and used it to finance their illegal war on Central America.
So these traitors don't even take no for an answer when Congress shuts off the money tap.
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“I don’t care what that old paper says” -Trump
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Yeah unfortunately that is not actually the way the law is written Bernie. Wish it was.
Short version, the president gets to deploy the military where ever he wishes (outside the US, posse comitatus etc). That includes invading a sovereign nation or raining missiles down on one.
Only congress has the power to declare a war, but the Potus gets to defacto kick off the war and then dare congress not to back him.
After it was either 60 or 90 days, I forget, congress gets to "review" the decision, the problem is they have no power other than financial if they wish to stop the war. So the only thing they can do is turn off the finances to the military, and wait for the money to run out - which is generally up to a year. They have no way of forcing the president to desist other than impeachment or cutting off the funds.
They can pass a motion, or even legislation, which the Prez can then veto, pointless. If they can muster the 2/3rds of congress they can remove him via impeachment.
Edit, spelling correction and to note that I can pull out the full details if needed - was discussed heavily on reddit a while ago
What congress can do is refuse to pay for the war/police action. They still need to write the checks. Wars don't last long with out money.
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genocide was happening when you were 1 years old. You just only paid attention now because--and I gotta stress this--you were conned.
In 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon under false pretenses committing massacres and bombing towns and cities in the process. Ronald Reagan called Menachim Begin and demanded that he stop the invasion calling it a holocaust, and he did. With one phone call Reagan was able to put an end to Israel's aggression. At the same time, Joe Biden went to Israel and not only was supportive but told Menachim Begin that he would go even further even it meant killing women and children.
Sources:
Reagan Demands End to Attacks in a Blunt Telephone Call to Begin
In Private, Biden Supported Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon
I was conned when I voted for Biden thinking that he has evolved and he can be persuaded to be better.
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Biden supported the invasion of Iraq. https://theintercept.com/2020/01/07/joe-biden-iraq-war-history/
He or Harris wouldn't have been any different. Proof: Biden bombed Yemen.
Trump’s Yemen bombings killed nearly as many civilians as 23 previous years of US attacks
Again, there is bad and there is worse. And your inability to differentiate between the two actively making things worse than worse.
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In 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon under false pretenses committing massacres and bombing towns and cities in the process. Ronald Reagan called Menachim Begin and demanded that he stop the invasion calling it a holocaust, and he did. With one phone call Reagan was able to put an end to Israel's aggression. At the same time, Joe Biden went to Israel and not only was supportive but told Menachim Begin that he would go even further even it meant killing women and children.
Sources:
Reagan Demands End to Attacks in a Blunt Telephone Call to Begin
In Private, Biden Supported Israel’s 1982 Invasion of Lebanon
I was conned when I voted for Biden thinking that he has evolved and he can be persuaded to be better.
Oh yes, lets talk about reagan, the iran-contra goon who you all swoon for.
Lets talk about that shall we? what a peace maker he was! gosh gee golly!
you are conned. and conned by a man with orange makeup and fake hair who you think is manly. oh yeah and his wife doesnt even sleep in the same bedroom as him.
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2/3 of Congress is owned by AIPAC so it wouldn't make a difference anyway.
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Biden/Harris would have done something similar to defend Israel from the consequences of its actions. Biden did bomb Yemen after all when it tried to stop the genocide. Biden is a self admitted Zionist and defended Israel’s invasion of Lebanon and supported the invasion of Iraq. Harris did nothing to distance herself from him.
Trump killed more civilians in Yemen this one excursion than the US did in the previous 23 years.
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Trump killed more civilians in Yemen this one excursion than the US did in the previous 23 years.
There is bad, and there is this bad. And not differentiating between the two is criminal.By the time Biden has left office he was already responsible for over 30,000 deaths in Palestine. They are all bad.
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By the time Biden has left office he was already responsible for over 30,000 deaths in Palestine. They are all bad.
By this point, there are only two ways to not understand what the degrees of bad are. Either you really, deeply, powerfully don't give a flying fuck about people's lives, and you see people as numbers you want to use to own the libs or whatever, or you are are so disconnected from reality, you really don't understand what differentiate more suffering from less suffering.
I really don't know what's worse, but both of those possibilities are deeply disturbing. You might feel like you're a good person, but you really aren't. -
By this point, there are only two ways to not understand what the degrees of bad are. Either you really, deeply, powerfully don't give a flying fuck about people's lives, and you see people as numbers you want to use to own the libs or whatever, or you are are so disconnected from reality, you really don't understand what differentiate more suffering from less suffering.
I really don't know what's worse, but both of those possibilities are deeply disturbing. You might feel like you're a good person, but you really aren't.Do you deny that it was a genocide when Biden was president or do you deny his complicity? That's the only way your comment would make any sense.
