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    EUComission on Mastodon: https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/@EUCommission/114103445436423181

    Archived: https://archive.is/2025.03.04-085036/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-defence-plans-could-mobilise-800-billion-euros-von-der-leyen-says-2025-03-04/

    BRUSSELS, March 4 (Reuters) - The European Commission proposed on Tuesday new joint EU borrowing of 150 billion euros ($157.76 billion) to lend to EU governments for defence as part of an overall 800 billion total financing effort to boost Europe's defence capabilities.

    The 150 billion euros of new joint borrowing is to go towards building pan-European capability domains like air and missile defence, artillery systems, missiles and ammunition, drones and anti-drone systems or to address other needs from cyber to military mobility, the Commission said.

    "It will help Member States to pool demand and to buy together. This will reduce costs, reduce fragmentation increase interoperability and strengthen our defence industrial base," Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said.

    EU leaders will discuss the proposal at a special summit devoted to defence spending on Thursday.

    The Commission also proposed to lift limits imposed by EU rules on government spending in case of defence investments.

    "If Member Sates would increase their defence spending by 1,5% of GDP on average this could create fiscal space of close to 650 billion euros," von der Leyen said.

    The Commission also proposed that EU countries can use for defence purposes money they receive from the EU budget in funds to equalise the standards of living across Europe.

    All these elements could provide up to 800 billion euros for EU governments to spend on defence projects.

    "Europe is ready to assume its responsibilities. Europe could mobilize close to 800 billion euros for a safe and resilient Europe. We will continue working closely with our partners in NATO. This is a moment for Europe. And we are ready to step up," she said.

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      EUComission on Mastodon: https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/@EUCommission/114103445436423181

      Archived: https://archive.is/2025.03.04-085036/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-defence-plans-could-mobilise-800-billion-euros-von-der-leyen-says-2025-03-04/

      BRUSSELS, March 4 (Reuters) - The European Commission proposed on Tuesday new joint EU borrowing of 150 billion euros ($157.76 billion) to lend to EU governments for defence as part of an overall 800 billion total financing effort to boost Europe's defence capabilities.

      The 150 billion euros of new joint borrowing is to go towards building pan-European capability domains like air and missile defence, artillery systems, missiles and ammunition, drones and anti-drone systems or to address other needs from cyber to military mobility, the Commission said.

      "It will help Member States to pool demand and to buy together. This will reduce costs, reduce fragmentation increase interoperability and strengthen our defence industrial base," Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said.

      EU leaders will discuss the proposal at a special summit devoted to defence spending on Thursday.

      The Commission also proposed to lift limits imposed by EU rules on government spending in case of defence investments.

      "If Member Sates would increase their defence spending by 1,5% of GDP on average this could create fiscal space of close to 650 billion euros," von der Leyen said.

      The Commission also proposed that EU countries can use for defence purposes money they receive from the EU budget in funds to equalise the standards of living across Europe.

      All these elements could provide up to 800 billion euros for EU governments to spend on defence projects.

      "Europe is ready to assume its responsibilities. Europe could mobilize close to 800 billion euros for a safe and resilient Europe. We will continue working closely with our partners in NATO. This is a moment for Europe. And we are ready to step up," she said.

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      Subtract 300 billion from that (confiscated Russian holdings to make up for it)

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      • misk@sopuli.xyzM [email protected]

        EUComission on Mastodon: https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/@EUCommission/114103445436423181

        Archived: https://archive.is/2025.03.04-085036/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-defence-plans-could-mobilise-800-billion-euros-von-der-leyen-says-2025-03-04/

        BRUSSELS, March 4 (Reuters) - The European Commission proposed on Tuesday new joint EU borrowing of 150 billion euros ($157.76 billion) to lend to EU governments for defence as part of an overall 800 billion total financing effort to boost Europe's defence capabilities.

        The 150 billion euros of new joint borrowing is to go towards building pan-European capability domains like air and missile defence, artillery systems, missiles and ammunition, drones and anti-drone systems or to address other needs from cyber to military mobility, the Commission said.

        "It will help Member States to pool demand and to buy together. This will reduce costs, reduce fragmentation increase interoperability and strengthen our defence industrial base," Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said.

        EU leaders will discuss the proposal at a special summit devoted to defence spending on Thursday.

        The Commission also proposed to lift limits imposed by EU rules on government spending in case of defence investments.

        "If Member Sates would increase their defence spending by 1,5% of GDP on average this could create fiscal space of close to 650 billion euros," von der Leyen said.

        The Commission also proposed that EU countries can use for defence purposes money they receive from the EU budget in funds to equalise the standards of living across Europe.

        All these elements could provide up to 800 billion euros for EU governments to spend on defence projects.

        "Europe is ready to assume its responsibilities. Europe could mobilize close to 800 billion euros for a safe and resilient Europe. We will continue working closely with our partners in NATO. This is a moment for Europe. And we are ready to step up," she said.

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        Have we considered nationalizing all the private companies that this money would go to, before we give it out. Otherwise this is not a very future proof strategy.

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          Have we considered nationalizing all the private companies that this money would go to, before we give it out. Otherwise this is not a very future proof strategy.

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          That wouldn't even be necessary, if rich people were taxed properly.
          Pour billions into European arms manufacturers, who employ Europeans, then tax the profits.
          That way, the money stays within the EU and in circulation.

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            That wouldn't even be necessary, if rich people were taxed properly.
            Pour billions into European arms manufacturers, who employ Europeans, then tax the profits.
            That way, the money stays within the EU and in circulation.

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            Yeah im not sure if defence companies are even taxed at all

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              EUComission on Mastodon: https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/@EUCommission/114103445436423181

              Archived: https://archive.is/2025.03.04-085036/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-defence-plans-could-mobilise-800-billion-euros-von-der-leyen-says-2025-03-04/

              BRUSSELS, March 4 (Reuters) - The European Commission proposed on Tuesday new joint EU borrowing of 150 billion euros ($157.76 billion) to lend to EU governments for defence as part of an overall 800 billion total financing effort to boost Europe's defence capabilities.

              The 150 billion euros of new joint borrowing is to go towards building pan-European capability domains like air and missile defence, artillery systems, missiles and ammunition, drones and anti-drone systems or to address other needs from cyber to military mobility, the Commission said.

              "It will help Member States to pool demand and to buy together. This will reduce costs, reduce fragmentation increase interoperability and strengthen our defence industrial base," Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said.

              EU leaders will discuss the proposal at a special summit devoted to defence spending on Thursday.

              The Commission also proposed to lift limits imposed by EU rules on government spending in case of defence investments.

              "If Member Sates would increase their defence spending by 1,5% of GDP on average this could create fiscal space of close to 650 billion euros," von der Leyen said.

              The Commission also proposed that EU countries can use for defence purposes money they receive from the EU budget in funds to equalise the standards of living across Europe.

              All these elements could provide up to 800 billion euros for EU governments to spend on defence projects.

              "Europe is ready to assume its responsibilities. Europe could mobilize close to 800 billion euros for a safe and resilient Europe. We will continue working closely with our partners in NATO. This is a moment for Europe. And we are ready to step up," she said.

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              There should be a clause saying that all of that has to go to domestic weapons manufacturers. Not a cent to the US.

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                EUComission on Mastodon: https://ec.social-network.europa.eu/@EUCommission/114103445436423181

                Archived: https://archive.is/2025.03.04-085036/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-defence-plans-could-mobilise-800-billion-euros-von-der-leyen-says-2025-03-04/

                BRUSSELS, March 4 (Reuters) - The European Commission proposed on Tuesday new joint EU borrowing of 150 billion euros ($157.76 billion) to lend to EU governments for defence as part of an overall 800 billion total financing effort to boost Europe's defence capabilities.

                The 150 billion euros of new joint borrowing is to go towards building pan-European capability domains like air and missile defence, artillery systems, missiles and ammunition, drones and anti-drone systems or to address other needs from cyber to military mobility, the Commission said.

                "It will help Member States to pool demand and to buy together. This will reduce costs, reduce fragmentation increase interoperability and strengthen our defence industrial base," Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said.

                EU leaders will discuss the proposal at a special summit devoted to defence spending on Thursday.

                The Commission also proposed to lift limits imposed by EU rules on government spending in case of defence investments.

                "If Member Sates would increase their defence spending by 1,5% of GDP on average this could create fiscal space of close to 650 billion euros," von der Leyen said.

                The Commission also proposed that EU countries can use for defence purposes money they receive from the EU budget in funds to equalise the standards of living across Europe.

                All these elements could provide up to 800 billion euros for EU governments to spend on defence projects.

                "Europe is ready to assume its responsibilities. Europe could mobilize close to 800 billion euros for a safe and resilient Europe. We will continue working closely with our partners in NATO. This is a moment for Europe. And we are ready to step up," she said.

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                Buying Rheinmetall stock on the day of the US election continues to be the best investment I've ever made.

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                  Yeah im not sure if defence companies are even taxed at all

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                  To take Rheinmetall as an example, it paid about 25-ish% of its pre-tax earnings as tax last year

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                    To take Rheinmetall as an example, it paid about 25-ish% of its pre-tax earnings as tax last year

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                    Nice, thats good to hear. Im just gonna choose to believe you.

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                      Subtract 300 billion from that (confiscated Russian holdings to make up for it)

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                      Add them on top!

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