No but seriously. Why the gaps?
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If it means I'm getting a clean toilet, I'd rather pay a Euro for that
wrote on last edited by [email protected]It's never an either/or situation. Like, what, that Euro pays for someone to rush in after every use? Or is it a meaningless transaction meant to cause difficulty.
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As an American, experiencing European toilet stalls was one of the first tangible experiences where I was like “woah we are definitely doing it wrong”. Thanks, uh…Europe.
Going to Tokyo and every toilet being a sing-along butt rinser made me realized western toilets are barbaric.
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I think they just suck at carpentry, amongst other things. Doors are haaaard.
Doors being hard doesn't explain it, since they're not a problem for the rest of the world (which is the vast majority of it).
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Really? That's what I'd expect even in a run-down public toilet in a train station over here in Austria.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]-over here in insert anywhere but the US.
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- Cheaper
- So they can be sure you're not secksing or drugging
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But where are the costumers supposed to change costume if not in a stall?
That's a great point.
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The stalls at my work have zero gaps whatsoever and the door/walls (which are made of wood) go almost to the floor. There's fairly high quality locking handles that indicate whether or not it's occupied. It's amazing and I don't know of any other public restroom in my area like it.
I've worked a couple places where the stalls were like that. There are fixtures they can add to the gaps to cut them off.
Also, places that have all-gender group restrooms typically install gapless stalls because of obvious reasons.
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Really? That's what I'd expect even in a run-down public toilet in a train station over here in Austria.
Y'all have standards. Rights, even.
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Depends. What takes up a stall for longer, a good fuck or a good shit?
A good fuck should last much longer than a good shit...
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It makes no difference cost wise to save a few cms of wood.
The cost savings is not only in materials. For manufacturing, lower quality materials and larger tolerances. Time to install and repair is lower because of how open the design is. Time to clean is lower because you can just soak the floor and mop without worrying about each stalls' corners.
Brutal efficiency at the cost of comfort and privacy is what capitalism is all about. The US is just used to it and somehow also incredibly puritanical.
That said, efficiency isn't a bad thing. There are some countries with some bathrooms that don't have stalls - legit indoor public bathrooms where you just squat over a hole or urinals that are just one long wide trough. It's about what you are used to.
Nah I refuse to accept its for efficiency or cost savings. Thats so negligible no one would bring it up. Especially at the scale these are being constructed.
Ive seen a ton of arguments like "oh its to save costs installing if the floor is uneven" or "it gives leeway for different cuts" or "its for cleaning" but these are things can can easily be designed around without having a gap that leaves the user exposed. Either Americans are to stupid to design around this constraint (they aren't) or theyre intentionally leaving it in for some reasons and there is plenty of speculation on the reasons.
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As we dont have the gaps in my country my guess is it a US interpretation of Jeremy Bentham's panopticon as applied to the shitter.
I expect in the USA people, particularly the out groups, are believed to be inherently criminal/immoral and need to be observed to make sure they aren't doing anything undesirable.
As the US public toilet is primarily a place for moral judgement and not elimation of waste you then get the crazies questioning if people's gender and equipment meets moral standards for use of the facilities based on casual assessment of their appearance.
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Nah I refuse to accept its for efficiency or cost savings. Thats so negligible no one would bring it up. Especially at the scale these are being constructed.
Ive seen a ton of arguments like "oh its to save costs installing if the floor is uneven" or "it gives leeway for different cuts" or "its for cleaning" but these are things can can easily be designed around without having a gap that leaves the user exposed. Either Americans are to stupid to design around this constraint (they aren't) or theyre intentionally leaving it in for some reasons and there is plenty of speculation on the reasons.
You're correct, those things are avoidable and can be designed around. However hiring the people who know how to do that also costs money and it's cheaper to hire shitty engineers who do things safely instead of well. We're not stupid, we're exploitative
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For all the puritanical shame Americans have of their sexual organs, we sure are lax when it comes to giving a little privacy when taking a shit and sometimes even just pissing in a trough.
It also feels somewhat ironic that US hosts/makes the largest amount of porn
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You're correct, those things are avoidable and can be designed around. However hiring the people who know how to do that also costs money and it's cheaper to hire shitty engineers who do things safely instead of well. We're not stupid, we're exploitative
If you're gonna build hundreds of thousands of bathrooms you can afford a decent engineer to make a door. Look at any other country, even the poor ones.
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So trans women can be discovered, I suppose.
(Edit: immediately after posting this, it’s prolly way too dark but I’m leaving it there. Also it me, a trans woman terrified of using the stall for this exact reason.)
It explains why there is the debate about which toilet to use for trans people. They can see the other sex naked. It would not be an issue if the doors didn't have gaps.
