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Europe's freedom faces greatest threat since WW2, Macron says

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      Yes from centrists like Macron that pave the way for the extreme right to take over soon 🤦

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        Yes from centrists like Macron that pave the way for the extreme right to take over soon 🤦

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        centrist? Macron?

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          centrist? Macron?

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          Yep, centrist.

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            The rhetoric of people like Macron is what tankies refer to when they claim that "The West" is "panicking" over Russia's "Right to defend itself against the NATO threat" and if "The West" would stop doing that, there'd be peace overnight.

            I don't much like Macron, I don't know enough about French politics but I'm guessing they have their own military-industrial complex that would benefit...

            But seeing the sort of people and politics we're up against on the world stage, maybe a little posturing is required. Wasn't Macron the one who responded in kind to Trump's handshaking play, and came out on top? (edit: not sure he comes out on top but he's certainly calling Trump's play)

            Oh and one more thing: since Hybrid Warfare is a thing, calls for more military should always be paired with calls for active measure against disinformation campaigns. I hope our dear politicians will soon wake up from their pre-internet slumber.

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              Yes from centrists like Macron that pave the way for the extreme right to take over soon 🤦

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              Can you elaborate? Looking at Germany it sounds familiar, but maybe it's not exactly the same in France.

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                The rhetoric of people like Macron is what tankies refer to when they claim that "The West" is "panicking" over Russia's "Right to defend itself against the NATO threat" and if "The West" would stop doing that, there'd be peace overnight.

                I don't much like Macron, I don't know enough about French politics but I'm guessing they have their own military-industrial complex that would benefit...

                But seeing the sort of people and politics we're up against on the world stage, maybe a little posturing is required. Wasn't Macron the one who responded in kind to Trump's handshaking play, and came out on top? (edit: not sure he comes out on top but he's certainly calling Trump's play)

                Oh and one more thing: since Hybrid Warfare is a thing, calls for more military should always be paired with calls for active measure against disinformation campaigns. I hope our dear politicians will soon wake up from their pre-internet slumber.

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                Oh and one more thing: since Hybrid Warfare is a thing, calls for more military should always be paired with calls for active measure against disinformation campaigns. I hope our dear politicians will soon wake up from their pre-internet slumber.

                They very much have. Of the new 5% spending target for NATO, 1.5% is reserved for investments in defense-related infrastructure, including cybersecurity.

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                  Oh and one more thing: since Hybrid Warfare is a thing, calls for more military should always be paired with calls for active measure against disinformation campaigns. I hope our dear politicians will soon wake up from their pre-internet slumber.

                  They very much have. Of the new 5% spending target for NATO, 1.5% is reserved for investments in defense-related infrastructure, including cybersecurity.

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                  1.5% that includes cybersecurity? I'm a bit skeptical but still, glad to hear it.

                  Personally I think the rhetoric should reflect that also but as ever so often I guess there's more money for military-related PR.

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                    Can you elaborate? Looking at Germany it sounds familiar, but maybe it's not exactly the same in France.

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                    Refusing to cooperate with the leftist parties, putting a right-wing PM in place and being dependant on extreme right wing votes for many of his recent proposals (because he refuses to cooperate with the left parties). Basically he is doing everything the Front National needs to win next time.

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                      Refusing to cooperate with the leftist parties, putting a right-wing PM in place and being dependant on extreme right wing votes for many of his recent proposals (because he refuses to cooperate with the left parties). Basically he is doing everything the Front National needs to win next time.

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                      Leftist parties who won the most seats during the last election, saving the country from a Le Pen government. An election he triggered. And then he did what @[email protected] described.

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                        Yep, centrist.

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                        Too many things masquerading as centrist these days.

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                          Refusing to cooperate with the leftist parties, putting a right-wing PM in place and being dependant on extreme right wing votes for many of his recent proposals (because he refuses to cooperate with the left parties). Basically he is doing everything the Front National needs to win next time.

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                          Oh yes, that sounds a lot like Germany currently.

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                            Oh yes, that sounds a lot like Germany currently.

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                            To be fair though in germany "DIE LINKE" is just as pro russian as the AfD.

                            But yes they should work with them more

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                              Yep, centrist.

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                              Fucker has had a fair bit of far right ministers. He's not center, he's far-right.

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