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  • M [email protected]

    None of this is accurate even if history started on Oct 7.

    You are blatantly lying.

    Jewish human rights groups and human rights groups all over the world as well as genocide scholars all over the world are calling what is happening a genocide. I'll put more weight on their conclusions than someone who has nine bullet points of Zionist hasbara.

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    Lemmy is supposed to be our sanctuary from schoolyard level taunts, not our sanctuary from views we don't like.

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      Lemmy is supposed to be our sanctuary from schoolyard level taunts, not our sanctuary from views we don't like.

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      Yes I remember in grade school being harassed by being called a liar after saying grass is blue and the sky is green.

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      • M [email protected]

        Yes I remember in grade school being harassed by being called a liar after saying grass is blue and the sky is green.

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        I see you are only comfortable in an echo chamber.

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          I see you are only comfortable in an echo chamber.

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          #18

          Calling out bullshit isn't being uncomfortable with other viewpoints.

          Sorry not everyone has unlimited patience for fascist and/or genocide supporters. But thems the breaks when you hold shitty viewpoints.

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            #19

            Which Holocaust? All of them, or just the one from 80 years ago?

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            • D [email protected]

              The classic "you can't yell fire in a crowded theater" denier.

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              #20

              Everyone knows you can only yell "fire" in an empty theatre. You generally get trespassed immediately thereafter.

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              • S [email protected]

                Which Holocaust? All of them, or just the one from 80 years ago?

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                Probably not all of them. We dont know of every one. Some were prehistory.

                I'm not a Finn, but I dont think they were involved in many Holocausts except one?

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                • L [email protected]

                  Will they criminalise denial of the Gaza genocide, you know, the one that is currently underway?

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                  Not yet. The ICJ is still examining the mountain of evidence. It will probably take a few more years.

                  I dont think we coined the term Holocaust until after the Germans lost the war. I imagine it'll be the same with Gaza. History needs to happen and be written first.

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                  • M [email protected]

                    None of this is accurate even if history started on Oct 7.

                    You are blatantly lying.

                    Jewish human rights groups and human rights groups all over the world as well as genocide scholars all over the world are calling what is happening a genocide. I'll put more weight on their conclusions than someone who has nine bullet points of Zionist hasbara.

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                    I'd say there is overwhelming evidence that this is likely genocide, but we can't say it is one until the ICJ finishes reviewing the mountain of evidence against Israel

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                    • jarfil@beehaw.orgJ [email protected]

                      Popper's paradox

                      The only way for tolerance to exist, is to not tolerate intolerance.

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                      That reminds me of the south park episode with Mr Slave

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                      • S [email protected]

                        Calling out bullshit isn't being uncomfortable with other viewpoints.

                        Sorry not everyone has unlimited patience for fascist and/or genocide supporters. But thems the breaks when you hold shitty viewpoints.

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                        I wonder how long you would last in Iran (who funds the terrorism). Am sure the administration would think you have "shitty viewpoints" on everything but Gaza.

                        You want to be the arbiter of what is bullshit without having to justify yourself. I suppose you would have that in common with the Ayatollah too.

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                        • jagged_circle@feddit.nlJ [email protected]

                          I'd say there is overwhelming evidence that this is likely genocide, but we can't say it is one until the ICJ finishes reviewing the mountain of evidence against Israel

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                          50,000 died of a population of 2 million (many of them militants). 2.5%, while a tragic loss of life, does not compare with the Holocaust where one-third of the Jewish population worldwide, and two-thirds of European Jews, had been wiped out.

                          If Israel is intent on genocide they aren't very good at it. They could have wiped out ⅔ of Gazans in the first week after October 7 but chose not to. Meanwhile Hamas and Hezbollah to this day call for ridding the Levant of all Jews but cannot.

                          Many more lives will be lost by Hamas not surrendering but it is a sacrifice Tankies in the comfort of their Western homes are willing to make.

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                          • jarfil@beehaw.orgJ [email protected]

                            Popper's paradox

                            The only way for tolerance to exist, is to not tolerate intolerance.

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                            The paradox of tolerance disappears if you look at tolerance not as a moral or legal standard, but as a social contract:

                            If someone does not abide by the terms of the contract, then they are not covered by it.

                            In other words: the intolerant are not following the rules of the social contract of mutual tolerance.

                            Since they have broken the terms of the contract, they are no longer covered by the contract, and their intolerance should NOT be tolerated.

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                              50,000 died of a population of 2 million (many of them militants). 2.5%, while a tragic loss of life, does not compare with the Holocaust where one-third of the Jewish population worldwide, and two-thirds of European Jews, had been wiped out.

                              If Israel is intent on genocide they aren't very good at it. They could have wiped out ⅔ of Gazans in the first week after October 7 but chose not to. Meanwhile Hamas and Hezbollah to this day call for ridding the Levant of all Jews but cannot.

                              Many more lives will be lost by Hamas not surrendering but it is a sacrifice Tankies in the comfort of their Western homes are willing to make.

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                              You need to read the definition of genocide. I highly recommend following that with the south African report to the ICJ

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                              • jagged_circle@feddit.nlJ [email protected]

                                You need to read the definition of genocide. I highly recommend following that with the south African report to the ICJ

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                                Gazan civilians are not being "targeted". It is Hamas and Hezbollah who are intent on genocide. I mean they actual say it - why not believe them?

                                If Israel is intent on genocide they aren't very good at it. They could have wiped out ⅔ of Gazans in the first week after October 7 but chose not to. Meanwhile Hamas and Hezbollah to this day call for ridding the Levant of all Jews but Cannot.

                                Trump's talk of "evicting" Gazans to Libya is disturbing. That would be ethnic cleansing.

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                                  Gazan civilians are not being "targeted". It is Hamas and Hezbollah who are intent on genocide. I mean they actual say it - why not believe them?

                                  If Israel is intent on genocide they aren't very good at it. They could have wiped out ⅔ of Gazans in the first week after October 7 but chose not to. Meanwhile Hamas and Hezbollah to this day call for ridding the Levant of all Jews but Cannot.

                                  Trump's talk of "evicting" Gazans to Libya is disturbing. That would be ethnic cleansing.

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                                  Gazans civilians are absolutely being targeted

                                  See lavender. And the SA report

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                                  • S [email protected]

                                    50,000 died of a population of 2 million (many of them militants). 2.5%, while a tragic loss of life, does not compare with the Holocaust where one-third of the Jewish population worldwide, and two-thirds of European Jews, had been wiped out.

                                    If Israel is intent on genocide they aren't very good at it. They could have wiped out ⅔ of Gazans in the first week after October 7 but chose not to. Meanwhile Hamas and Hezbollah to this day call for ridding the Levant of all Jews but cannot.

                                    Many more lives will be lost by Hamas not surrendering but it is a sacrifice Tankies in the comfort of their Western homes are willing to make.

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                                    50,000 died of a population of 2 million

                                    No 50,000 direct deaths from Isreali munitions were able to be positively IDed. The actual number of deaths was estimated at a quarter million mid last year, and is probably at least twice that now, based on comments Trump made.

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                                      Gazans civilians are absolutely being targeted

                                      See lavender. And the SA report

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                                      Why do you think Israel didn't wipe out the Gazan population already?

                                      Let me present to you for the third time...

                                      If Israel is intent on genocide they aren't very good at it. They could have wiped out ⅔ of Gazans in the first week after October 7 but chose not to. Meanwhile Hamas and Hezbollah to this day call for ridding the Levant of all Jews but cannot.

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                                        50,000 died of a population of 2 million

                                        No 50,000 direct deaths from Isreali munitions were able to be positively IDed. The actual number of deaths was estimated at a quarter million mid last year, and is probably at least twice that now, based on comments Trump made.

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                                        A quarter of a million is more than the population of Gaza.

                                        At least twice now you reckon? So that would be more than all the Arabs in Israel combined.

                                        How is the war continuing if by your calculations IDF has already killed all Palestinians (including Palestinians who don't even exist to make up your fantasy total).

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                                        50,000 direct deaths from Isreali munitions were able to be positively IDed. The actual number of deaths was estimated at a quarter million mid last yeah, and is probably at least twice that now, based on comments Trump made.

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                                          A quarter of a million is more than the population of Gaza.

                                          At least twice now you reckon? So that would be more than all the Arabs in Israel combined.

                                          How is the war continuing if by your calculations IDF has already killed all Palestinians (including Palestinians who don't even exist to make up your fantasy total).

                                          @[email protected] wrote:

                                          50,000 direct deaths from Isreali munitions were able to be positively IDed. The actual number of deaths was estimated at a quarter million mid last yeah, and is probably at least twice that now, based on comments Trump made.

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                                          A quarter of a million is more than the population of Gaza.

                                          No it isn't. and if it was, then killing 50 thousand people would be killing an even larger percentage of the population than killing a quarter million...

                                          So that would be more than all the Arabs in Israel combined.

                                          No. It would be a quarter the population of Gaza. These are easily checked facts mate, not sure what you're trying to prove by lying about them

                                          How is the war continuing if by your calculations IDF has already killed all Palestinians (including Palestinians who don’t even exist to make up your fantasy total).

                                          What exactly do you think the population of Gaza is?

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