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  • M [email protected]

    You're aware that the overwhelming majority of murderers are right-wingers, right?

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    Since you brought it up, do you have any numbers to support that?

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      #271

      Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

      ~Ben Franklin.

      (Realized this could be miss interpreted. I mean Kirk doesn't deserve neither liberty nor safety)

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      • D [email protected]

        You're probably not very good at social interaction, are you? I didn't say anything praising him, I just intentionally spend time in left and right spaces so I understand both groups pretty well. It's depressing how many tools there everywhere, you aren't giving me much hope either.

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        #272

        Not at all, I just immediately suspected you of trolling based on what you said. I read your comment history and I confirmed my suspicion.

        Speaking of social interactions, part of that is reading the room. This means understanding the temperature and leaning of the group you are discussing things with.

        Kirk recognized this and very carefully crafted his image by omitting anytime someone put him in his place and using plausible deniability to conceal his misogynist and racist right wing viewpoints.

        Your MLK comments were particularly interesting considering he was known for saying things like Martin Luther King Jr. is exaggerated, calling King “awful… not a good person.” and also calling the Civil Rights Movement "a huge mistake."

        Perhaps you are just ill informed and made a mistake. From my viewpoint you could perhaps be just like him. Someone pushing a right wing agenda that is not afraid to lie and conceal the truth.

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          The irony of using the American revolution to justify murdering people for speaking their opinion...

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          You claimed it is impossible to murder your way into democracy, I gave you an example of people murdering their way into democracy.

          Shifting the goalposts to be about ‘muh freeze peaches’ is weak.

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            This is just the trolley problem. If you can save 5 people by killing 1, is it correct to do so, or take no action?

            Well, we've got lots of people taking no action, and look where that's got us.

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            You don't get to just kill people that you suspect are evil. This isn't some complicated ethical dilemma.

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            • M [email protected]

              he would die for his beliefs

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              Well, not voluntarily. There's a difference.

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                ::: spoiler I guess some people can change.

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                  Don't worry. This is the casus belli that the Guardians Of Pedophiles have been trying to force for months. As much as I love California, I think it's time to head back to BC. Things are about to get much worse in the US.

                  My advice to anyone else that isn't prepared to fight for survival is to find a way out now. You don't have long.

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                  I'm not intending to leave my country to the Nazis.

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                    I have no idea but I like to imagine hundreds of editors rushing out every time there's a prominent death to be the first to change it.

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                    Especially this one.

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                    • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                      Great foreshadowing too.

                      Earlier this year, Utah passed House Bill 128 allowing people to conceal carry firearms on university campuses. One of the campuses where conceal carry was now permitted is, of course, Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was visiting today. He was sitting under a tent with the slogan "Prove Me Wrong".

                      Immediately before the shooting, he was taking questions from the audience:

                      “Do you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?” an audience member asked. Kirk responded, “Too many.”

                      The questioner followed up: “Do you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?”

                      “Counting or not counting gang violence?” Kirk asked.

                      Then a single shot rang out.

                      https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservative-activist-charlie-kirk-shot-at-utah-valley-university-event-spokesperson-says

                      It's unfortunate that he's ineligible for the Darwin Award because he leaves behind 2 very young children and a culture warrior wife, because otherwise he'd be a great nominee for the 2025 Darwin Awards. Normally to get a Darwin Award someone has to directly kill themselves. But, I think in this case we could have make an exception for someone who was a cheerleader for gun rights and was sitting directly under a banner saying "Prove Me Wrong" when he was killed with a gun.

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                      honestly deserves a whole new award category a la Herman Cain Award

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                        I have no idea but I like to imagine hundreds of editors rushing out every time there's a prominent death to be the first to change it.

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                        That would make a great comedy like the office or parks and red

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                          You claimed it is impossible to murder your way into democracy, I gave you an example of people murdering their way into democracy.

                          Shifting the goalposts to be about ‘muh freeze peaches’ is weak.

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                          No your example is just really really bad

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                            RIP Charlie Kirk.

                            You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.

                            The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.

                            Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.

                            May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.

                            RIP Charlie Kirk

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                            A good christian man would embrace everyone, not the bullshit he spouted

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                              I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn't been there (which they were) they'd undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That's a hell of a way to lose a parent.

                              The fact that he died while in the middle of talking about trans mass shooters being a huge problem certainly makes it feel like cosmic karma at work. I struggle to give a shit about the man himself being shot dead. But I do worry about political violence... it's a very rare occasion when murdering someone sitting in a chair talking is a good idea. Not a single person in his right-wing sphere of repugnance is going to do any self-reflection and change their ways, they'll just become even more rabidly anti-everything left of Hitler. Shit like this doesn't go unanswered too often. Violence is a contagion with no cure except time, and the clock gets set back another decade every time someone retaliates. I'm sure we could chain all of these assassinations together into a causal sequence. But even if they're all independent events, the narrative-makers will be hard at work making it sound like a grand battle of the ages, so the result is the same either way.

                              Source: History, memory...

                              P.S. Any bets that the shooter was a MAGA nut? Seems to be the trend 👀

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                              Yeah I agree that it wouldn't have been easy on the kids. However, if dont think seeing a parent get shot, would be much different than having them die of cancer or anything else really.

                              Certainly, the kids have my sympathy.

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                              • F [email protected]

                                The left is notoriously unarmed while the right is the reason our gun ownership is so high. At a time when the right threatens to take more and more away, this feels like a poor choice. Personally I agree with a very prominent leftist that the working class must be armed, and I feel that as those on the left we need to see the writing on the wall. The united states does not appear to be going a more peaceful direction, and if we want to keep having any rights for the workers at all we need to be ready to frustrate any attempt to disarm or otherwise neutralize us. In a world where the right does not threaten to take guns from trans folks or keep us from using our right to organize, we can talk about gun control again. Sadly we are sliding away from that so fast that I can't imagine where we will be at the end of this presidency.

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                                The left is notoriously unarmed

                                Heh. The left talks about their guns less. They don't have guns on their Christmas cards with their kids as part of their identity.

                                But there are plenty of leftists with guns.

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                                  A good christian man would embrace everyone, not the bullshit he spouted

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                                  He debated college kids. Do better.

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                                    America is becoming a pvp server like in the 60s

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                                    nicely repaly

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                                    • phoenixarise@lemmy.worldP [email protected]

                                      ::: spoiler I guess some people can change.

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                                      Fuuuuuuuuck

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                                        Dickhead memelord got where Mosley and Rockwell didn't.

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                                        • O [email protected]

                                          You can't murder your way into democracy.

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                                          Tell that to France.

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