Too soon?
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So 1945 didn't help at all? It just created more violence? All the Jews we saved from those camps, we made it worse?
So Charlie Kirk was Hitler?
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You’re animals. You’re no better than goddamn wild animals
...I hope you’re crucified in the streets.
Ah, you're one of the rational ones, i see
You want violence? I’m just hoping it comes to those of you who do.
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This IS the begotten violence. MAGA chuds have already killed what they perceive to be left wing leaders. And their own leaders are in the process of killing the rest of us. No one wants this, but when the violence has been already happening? Yeah, it's nice to see that it's a nazi dead for once.
But I'd much prefer there weren't nazis in power trying to put me and others like me in the fucking death camps first. Until then, yeah I'm going to cheer when a nazi dies.
Dude ran his mouth. That’s what he did. No one should die for that.
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Are we playing questions?
"Counting or not counting gang violence?"
Oof. I'd say it's too soon, but that's clearly not the case on lemmy... But also yes that's a fair question.
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It's always interesting when they use expressions like, god-given rights. That's not how it works. A right, in the US, is a privilege that has stronger legal protections. That's all. It's definitely not given by anyone other than the US government.
In the united states these rights are seen as given by a higher power and administered by the government. With the belief that if the government fails to administer them individuals may pursue them by other means
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I'm surprised no one made the same joke first. Guess I'm ahead of the game.
Indeed, you are quite the good shot!
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I bet the people being actively killed and oppressed by the Dems would disagree. It sounds more like you personally felt less threatened under Dems, and you want to return to that place of privilege.
When the ICE raids began, Democrats published a public thank you letter to the agents. If you think this will get better with Dems in charge, you aren’t paying attention.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I meant past tense.
Future tense it's too late. I meant as in under Kamala instead of Trump.
Things would still be terrible, but they'd undeniably be less terrible. There still being suffering doesn't change that there would be less of it.
Not to mention it would slow down climate change a bit more compared to the current regime, which instead going full throttle on the gas pedal. And that's something that affects all humans.
PS: by "we" I meant the world. I've lived in Finland for many years now.
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I grew up needing to be ready to kill, and have almost been killed myself, by an abusive father.
You know what finally got him to chill? My mom fighting back with a clothing iron. Me grappling him to show I could fuck him up now if I wanted to, but chose not to.
You would have a point, if the current government wasn't ALREADY doing mass violence. What the fuck do you think ICE is doing? Where's your outrage there, angry dumbass?
The fact you say someone wishing to give the oppressors a small taste, a warning they fucking actually understand and listen to, is being Hitler-like, and don't call the people literally running camps now that, shows what you really think.
That's why I left the country and moved elsewhere. Because I knew that if I stayed there, I'd eventually be on the news for something like this, because I have a way lower tolerance for fascism due to having grown up with a literal boot on my face sometimes, as a kid.
And because I knew cowards like you are still way too numerous, too afraid to actually stand up for what's right, terrified so much they can't even let people celebrate when the world was made just a tiny bit better by the elimination of someone terrible bringing terrible things into existence.
Those of us who want people like Kirk dead don't want it for the sake of violence, we want it so the future can be a better place for all. Unlike Kirk and his ilk that want violence so that only the ones they choose can have it all. If you can't tell that difference, it says way more about your ideals than you may realize.
You don’t know me. I’m covered from head to toe with scars from growing up in a world much like the one you grew up in. Hospital trip after hospital trip, police officers taking Polaroids, swearing that my brother and I were wrestling and a mirror fell on me, or my hand got broke because I crashed an atv. I was locked in a room and starved to the point that I was stunted, the only male in my family who isn’t over 6ft tall. I sat in a courtroom after the cotton swab that was shoved in my ass didn’t provide the evidence needed to put a motherfucker in jail.
Somehow, I just don’t have a taste for violence.
I’m not sad that Charlie Kirk died. I’m sad that someone killed another human being in front of the world and I’m terrified of what comes next. I’m terrified that he’ll be a martyr and inspire more people than he ever could have inspired living his life to its natural conclusion. I have no doubt that some of that inspiration will be violent retaliation.
Just like when the moron shot at Trump and missed. You can go back to the comment I made that day. It went something like, “Well, they made him a goddamn hero and the election is over now.”
I think we could have prevented the rise of Donald Trump. I think people like Kirk and Shapiro could be made irrelevant. I believe we can do that with our goddamn brains and we don’t have to be apes to get what we want.
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It's my birthday today so hearing about it is one of the best birthday gifts
happy birthday!
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Perhaps not American law (well, that's debatable too), but he certainly would have been hanged to death at the Nuremberg trials, since he has done the same propaganda that other Nazis in Hitler's government did. That is, if we simply ignore your "appeal to law" fallacy.
That he faced no consequences for stochastic terrorism among other things is only an indication of the failings of both your justice system and your country's morality. Violence like this, against people like him, only happens when there is a lack of justice.
As for how absolute free speech (not to be confused with regulated speech or absolute censorship) can be the seeds of authoritarianism, I suggest you read Popper's "paradox of tolerance" as a starting source. Speech without consequences begets falsehoods that are ripe for any right wing government to co-opt. Which is exactly what has been happening in the USA for quite some time.
Nuremberg was after the holocaust. You can't just skip over the fact that Charlie Kirk has not instigated a holocaust, nor can you assume that he would have. That's not even a logical fallacy, it's simply not even true. Accusing me of a logical fallacy is rich in irony. Seriously, it's so dumb I don't even know what to say.
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You are correct. The last several times it was a dem. We have protesred and taljed enough. Things only het worse for both sides. I hope they kill them all.
Dude you are sick
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The saddest thing about it all. MAGA already blaming Dems. No one knows anything about the shooter or motive. But it's the Dems fault
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I meant past tense.
Future tense it's too late. I meant as in under Kamala instead of Trump.
Things would still be terrible, but they'd undeniably be less terrible. There still being suffering doesn't change that there would be less of it.
Not to mention it would slow down climate change a bit more compared to the current regime, which instead going full throttle on the gas pedal. And that's something that affects all humans.
PS: by "we" I meant the world. I've lived in Finland for many years now.
“Undeniably.” Not at all. I deny it. The Dem administrations played a pivotal role in building ICE to this level, and Kamala absolutely devastated the immigrant community as Biden’s border czar.
You should diversify the kind of news sources you’re looking at.
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It's my personal belief with absolutely no evidence that the person asking the questions and the shooter were working together. Those questions and the timing of the shot are just too fucking perfect.
Life is stranger than fiction. Yes, the timing worked out, that doesn’t mean fuck all. This isn’t a movie, and sometimes timing can be unintentionally poetic. The shooter could hear them, too, and may have decided that was the moment they wished to fire the shot on their own accord. Those types of questions are asked all the time at these shitty debates, it’s not even remotely special and it’s even a topic that is one of the core things Kirk pushed pretty heavily.
Everyone’s making up all kinds of conspiracies when the highly likely, nearly guaranteed, reality is that it was someone who came to the conclusion that the systems present in the US would not only do nothing to punish Kirk for his hate but in fact reward him for it. The same thing happened to a certain health insurance CEO for the same reason. They took the law into their own hands because the law does exist to serve victims, only oppressors.
Yes, this means the violence all too present in the US has finally come to white conservatives. Deal with it.
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Betcha he wouldn't have been willing to die if given a choice, though. That's for other people to do. Well, now he's "other people."
I think this quote is him explicitly saying he'd be okay with his own death too.
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It is amazing what Trump does to distract from the Epstein files.
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The saddest thing about it all. MAGA already blaming Dems. No one knows anything about the shooter or motive. But it's the Dems fault
Duh 'cause it happened at a college! Only them dum libruls go to college so it the dems for sure!
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In the united states these rights are seen as given by a higher power and administered by the government. With the belief that if the government fails to administer them individuals may pursue them by other means
Not legally and not by the founders of the country. Only religous morons think that.
Sadly, there are a lot of religous morons in the US...
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Why do god-given rights need to be protected?
God-given rights like defending against tyranny?
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You want violence? I’m just hoping it comes to those of you who do.
I do not WANT violence, no. And yet, here we are.
