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After 40 years of being free Microsoft has added a paywall to Notepad

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  • R [email protected]

    see I said UNIX was still being used at that time OVER *BSD.

    You seem to think Unix is one system. You also seem to think *BSDs are not a branch of Unix.

    You don't seem to learn.

    How old are you and what's your intention in behaving this way? Just interested.

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    How the fuck do you think I think Unix is one system? What the living fuck is wrong with you, child? I have been around since AT&T UNIX was a fucking thing, you baby. Infant. Child. Poor little fucking hateful, spiteful, baby who can't stand using something that is popular and has to cling to something that he thinks earns him some sort of fake nerd cred. Grow the goddamn up.

    When you speak of something in general terms, like "UNIX", you're not implying it's one thing. This is how language works. Which you would have learned if you actually got to high school and passed your fucking English classes.

    You're just a troll and not worth anyone's time, and you're trying to make me into a troll when all I'm doing is telling you the actual history and truth behind operating systems.

    Here's what you do: you re-read everything I've said, and you don't reply. You take some fucking time to think things over and analyze your life and your pathetic infatuations with things that aren't "popular" because you feel inferior attaching yourself to something everyone else is doing. Several days.

    Then you come back and you apologize. I will be happy to accept it.

    Otherwise, just shut the fuck up if you're not willing to do that. I don't want to hear it.

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    • N [email protected]

      Yeah look I'm not an AI advocate at all. If I were confronted with this my first instinct would be to manipulate it in a spreadsheet because they can juggle data types like this pretty effortlessly.

      The CSV / dates thing was just an example, but I still think it's a good one. My assistant at work would 100% use notepad like this rather than using a spreadsheet.

      It's also worth pointing out that notepad + LLM would be a lot more flexible than a spreadsheet. Just paste whatever there and explain what you want in plain english. You don't need to parse your request into regex or spreadsheet formulas. For you and I, we might have spent years interacting with regex and other things such that it's a pleasant challenge when it arises. For 20 year old me it would have been a tedious impediment to whatever I was trying to achieve.

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      Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. The general inaccuracy/untrustworthiness of LLMs makes me very uncomfortable in their use for data processing and transformations. I'd rather take a while to get it right than to potentially hand off a CSV with glaring problems due to use of an LLM.

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      • T [email protected]

        How the fuck do you think I think Unix is one system? What the living fuck is wrong with you, child? I have been around since AT&T UNIX was a fucking thing, you baby. Infant. Child. Poor little fucking hateful, spiteful, baby who can't stand using something that is popular and has to cling to something that he thinks earns him some sort of fake nerd cred. Grow the goddamn up.

        When you speak of something in general terms, like "UNIX", you're not implying it's one thing. This is how language works. Which you would have learned if you actually got to high school and passed your fucking English classes.

        You're just a troll and not worth anyone's time, and you're trying to make me into a troll when all I'm doing is telling you the actual history and truth behind operating systems.

        Here's what you do: you re-read everything I've said, and you don't reply. You take some fucking time to think things over and analyze your life and your pathetic infatuations with things that aren't "popular" because you feel inferior attaching yourself to something everyone else is doing. Several days.

        Then you come back and you apologize. I will be happy to accept it.

        Otherwise, just shut the fuck up if you're not willing to do that. I don't want to hear it.

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        Plenty of Afghan goat farmers have been around since ATnT Unix was a thing, this doesn't mean they know anything about Unix.

        You've made a lot of factual errors showing that you don't know what you're talking about, you also haven't specified even once which specific period hides under "that time" in your claims.

        You've claimed that Minix ever was a popular system, you've claimed that "BSD" is some alternative to Unix separate from it while it's simply Berkeley Unix that dropped the Unix trademark due to litigation.

        Solaris, HP/UX, Irix are Unix System V, which was sort of a merger of ATnT Unix and BSD.

        So BSDs are literally just Unix (Unix of Theseus so to say, code from BSD that moved to commercial Unix remained there, but code from ATnT remaining in BSD had to be rewritten after the lawsuits, I've read it wasn't much).

        Bill Joy of Sun Microsystems is also one of the main people behind BSD.

        Also throwing insults doesn't make you more persuasive, when you are not even close to knowing the subject. I'm trying to help you, but I don't want to spend more effort.

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        • S [email protected]

          A Windows PC of similar quality to what Apple offers (built quality and specs) is not that much cheaper

          I don't think that's true, at least if we're talking about hardware. The only thing that I think really makes this argument is the screen, because you need to go really high end to get the same quality screen (if it exists).

          If we mostly stick to CPU, RAM, storage, etc, then you can get a really competitive PC for about half the cost. I bought a decent ThinkPad new about 7 years ago for $500 (E series), which was pretty competitive w/ the Macbook Pro in terms of specs, and I still use it to this day. I didn't go top-of-the-line, so the CPU was a little worse and it had integrated graphics, but I could absolutely find a similar build to the MBP for $1k or so, probably less. The MacBook Air and Mac Mini, however, is a lot harder to find a competitor for and I think their value is quite strong with that form factor.

          If we include software, then yeah, macOS offers a ton of value, since you get a decent office suite and a bunch of other utilities included with it, whereas w/ Windows, you just get trial versions of subscription software. So valuing the included SW in macOS vs Windows really depends on the individual.

          Windows is just bad

          Agreed. I only buy "Windows" laptops to install Linux on, and on my last laptop, I got a $40 discount because I told the sales rep I wasn't interested in Windows and they gave that to me.

          That said, the value that Windows provides that other OSes don't is compatibility. macOS can't play Windows games, and Linux can't play some games that work on Windows. If you need that compatibility, the value assessment is a lot different than if you could switch platforms without giving anything up.

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          Yeah, but if you look at the whole picture and not just specs, the hardware isn't priced that badly. Like you said, a similar screen would only be found on high end devices and I would argue you can't even get a trackpad that is as good as the one on a MacBook from any other manufacturer. You also get a pretty decent webcam and speakers and the aluminium chassis is exceptionally good too. If you don't care about those things then I understand looking mainly at specs, but if you do these things add up to a really good user experience.

          Don't get me wrong though. I don't want to shill for Apple here. There are some things that are just obscenely expensive. The cost of RAM
          and storage upgrades is an insult. Or the Mac Pro wheels or basically anything "small" (adapters, the Apple cloth etc.).

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            After taking a look at the pictures of the article, I noticed “requires AI credits”. Credits?! What is this now? Some shitty mobile game? Really, Microsoft isn’t ashamed of anything anymore…

            I mean, I don’t know about Microsoft and windows, so maybe this is different, but the name sounds crazy!

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            Likely you'll have to pay for some AI service, because the executives' children cried after watching an old sci-fi, that "we can't have intelligent conversations with out computers in 2016 in the real world, while in 2015 in the movie adaptation of Don't Build The Torment Nexus, there was Torment Nexus the intelligent and smart computer".

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            • horse@feddit.orgH [email protected]

              Yeah, but if you look at the whole picture and not just specs, the hardware isn't priced that badly. Like you said, a similar screen would only be found on high end devices and I would argue you can't even get a trackpad that is as good as the one on a MacBook from any other manufacturer. You also get a pretty decent webcam and speakers and the aluminium chassis is exceptionally good too. If you don't care about those things then I understand looking mainly at specs, but if you do these things add up to a really good user experience.

              Don't get me wrong though. I don't want to shill for Apple here. There are some things that are just obscenely expensive. The cost of RAM
              and storage upgrades is an insult. Or the Mac Pro wheels or basically anything "small" (adapters, the Apple cloth etc.).

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              Sure, if you're looking for exactly what Apple offers, then they offer a decent value. But if you want any changes, you're SOL.

              I personally don't care about half the things they ship standard (screen, camera, chassis, trackpad), I really care about things they charge extra for (RAM, storage), and I like some things offered by other manufacturers (TrackPoint + mouse buttons from Thinkpad, repairability, keyboard feel, etc). I also don't really like macOS, even after using it for years at work.

              For me, they offer poor value. For someone else, they offer good value. It all comes down to what you value.

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              • U [email protected]

                You’re sounding like one of those people that says “ummm ackshully it’s GNU + Linux, not Linux”

                No, I'm one of those people that understand that a DE is not the OS. A DE is a component one can install, but doesn't have to, in order to have a fully functional OS. Most certainly one does not require Kate in order to have a Linux OS installed. I have thousands of linux machines I manage that DON'T have Kate installed.

                If you install a distro with KDE, you will have Kate. It’s an OS program.

                Weird, because I only have Kate because I asked for it to get installed. It didn't come along for the ride when I installed KDE.

                Pahahaha, that’s not what defines whether a program is an OS one or not. You can run paint on Linux if you wanted to. Based on your definition, Paint therefore isn’t part of the Windows app suite.

                Paint comes on the MS Windows ISO (Or did), and with zero choice given, ever, MS Paint gets installed.

                I installed MX Linux yesterday, and Kate was not installed.

                I installed KDE on Freebsd a couple of weeks ago, and Kate was not installed.

                Let’s get back on topic - do you think a normal user will hear “Kate” and think “ah, that must be the text editor!”, do you think they’ll hear “Dolphin” and think “ah, that must be a file manager of some kind!”?

                I don't think any of that matters, tbh. Every user will have things to learn, once they switch to a new OS.

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                Kate is an OS app. When you install your distro, it's there.

                I don't think any of that matters, tbh.

                Well then you'd be wrong about that.

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                • N [email protected]

                  Don't take this the wrong way, but it's hard for me to contain my incredulity: have you been asleep for the last decade? Has a very obvious pattern of enshitification has not been constantly proven as a rule on the tech sector? And an article is... outrage?

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                  Not the article, I meant the comment section

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                  • melroy@kbin.melroy.orgM [email protected]

                    I think you got used to used to it, if you would use Linux for 15 years (like me), then going back to Windows really shows all these problems of Microsoft.

                    The biggest problem here that you get this pop-up in the first place.... And I'm pretty sure it's not only Notepad, all Microsoft products (including Windows) is getting worse and worse due to enshittification.

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                    I almost certainly am just used to it, but I do use linux, I've got a server running, but I just prefer windows as a daily driver.

                    However, I use notepad++ like most sensible people so I didn't even know this was a thing until I read this article and even then, you have to click the button to get the pop up. It definitely should be opt in and not just sitting there, but if you're just trying to write a quick note it's not just popping up and stopping you there's still need to interact with it.

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                      Most video games work through proton on Steam. Lightroom has a web app you can use instead.

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                      Lightroom mobile and web are not at the level of Lightroom Classic. It’s highly subjective but I enjoy the web version for quickly editing a few pictures, but for the management of my library which contains more than 20k pictures, no app is as good as Lightroom Classic. I tried a few ones and always went back…

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