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"Fully committed to peace" Is it time to bring back conscription in Germany?

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    I think the concerns mainly evolve around the Baltics as f.e. Estonia couldn't defend alone against the Russian army and the armies of other nations could be to slow/ineffective to respond - before the region has been conquered. However I am also unsure how mandatory conscription could prevent this situation (maybe as a way to recruit more professional soldiers?).

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    The main point point of conscription is to build up a large number of reservists who will require minimal training compared to fresh recruits when called up in case of a war. This is especially important when a smaller country is attacked by a larger one, because in that case, there is precious little time to react, and no country can afford a standing military even remotely capable of defending it against a much larger opponent.

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      Damn, are we really that afraid of Russia invading Europe?

      No, we are afraid of Germany having an actual army. But telling the biggest economy to just lay back and chill is no option either.

      So we need to find a way for them to waste enormous amounts of money on defense without getting anything to show.

      Enter: conscription.

      Because this way you can then spend massive amounts of money on infrastructure for a lot of people instead of buying actual stuff like equipment or ammunition. And as a bonus for the country that has perfected keeping the population poor and on low wages while the top 1% make all the money (see: Germany's GDP while at the same time having a median wealth more fitting for eastern Europe), they can get a lot new slaves serfs forced workers cheap labor from those refusing to serve to optimise corporate profits.

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      I also agree that investing in training, equipment and deployment capabilities seems like a better option than having a conscription as the number of fighting personnel is roughly equal (and as a defender you need less people for defense). From what I heard the European armies match Russias army in power overall - however I'm not sure if they could be as fast as Putin in getting this power coordinated to the Baltics.

      Regarding the median and wealth statistics: I agree that they are concerning especially for a rich country as Germany. However I think that is mainly due to the lower home ownership rates compared to most other countries. So I think it's more an accidental situation (with f.e. historic reasons) than result of more neoliberal policies. Still an important point to highlight and work on.

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        From what I heard the European armies match Russias army in power overall - however I’m not sure if they could be as fast as Putin in getting this power coordinated to the Baltics (if there was a conflict, then it would take place there). So I think that should be the most important part to work on.

        Furthermore I think that spending the money on more advanced equipment is better than a mandatory conscription, which would make the current shortage of highly skilled workers only worse (and there's also the question about how it would affect 18-year-olds personally).

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          I also agree that investing in training, equipment and deployment capabilities seems like a better option than having a conscription as the number of fighting personnel is roughly equal (and as a defender you need less people for defense). From what I heard the European armies match Russias army in power overall - however I'm not sure if they could be as fast as Putin in getting this power coordinated to the Baltics.

          Regarding the median and wealth statistics: I agree that they are concerning especially for a rich country as Germany. However I think that is mainly due to the lower home ownership rates compared to most other countries. So I think it's more an accidental situation (with f.e. historic reasons) than result of more neoliberal policies. Still an important point to highlight and work on.

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          From what I heard the European armies match Russias army in power overall

          "match":

          And that's before accounting for quality of equipment or training of operators.

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            Fuck military service! No conscription for any country! If Portugal ever does that in the first to gtfo! I don’t feel like being raped thank you

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