'Read' and its past tense are spelled the same. How should they be spelled?
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Reading is a place itself, the football club is the club for that place
Indeed, I just blurted out the biggest association in my mind to the place
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Are the first 2 lines really different?
Genuine question from a non native speaker.
Ehh technically I think they are the same but in common pronunciation they differ subtly. Don't overthink it though.
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Maybe to reed (infinitive) and read (past tense), but you can usually infer which one it is from context so no need to change the spelling.
"I read a lot of books about English spelling!"
Is this past tense?
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It's because the people who set the rules for the English language, could barely speak it.
The first guy to popularize the printing press was Dutch, so the guy who bought England's first one didn't know how it worked and neither did any English speaker
So he hired a bunch of Dutch who knew how to operate it.
And they got a bunch of handwritten books and were told to mass reproduce them.
Sometimes it was a mistake in the original, sometimes the typesetter made a mistake. Sometimes the writer just disagreed with how it should be written, and sometimes even the typesetters who couldn't speak English made choices to change it
No one gave a fuck about accuracy, it was about pumping out as many books as possible. Because just owning a book was a huge status symbol still from when they were handwritten and crazy expensive.
But all those books eventually got read, and the people who learned to read them were very proud that they could read. So they insisted that all the random bullshit was intentional and had to be followed to a T by everyone forever.
Most other languages had a noble class who kept it sensical, but for a long ass time only peasants spoke English, the wealthy in England all spoke French, cuz they were French.
Anyways, that's why English doesn't make any sense. There was also a natural thing happening where vowel pronunciation was changing. So when the typecasters solidified everything, it was already in a state of flux. That's why pronunciation doesn't line up with spelling.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The first guy to popularize the printing press was Dutch
Are you talking about Johannes Gutenberg?
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"I read a lot of books about English spelling!"
Is this past tense?
Depends on the context
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What about similar oddities in English?
(This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.I found it! https://www.exocomics.com/193/
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The digraph oo is pronounced at least six different ways:
- boot, proof, boost, scoop, moon
- book, foot, look, cookie, good
- floor, poor, door, moor
- flood, blood
- zoology, cooperative
- brooch (just brooch; there doesn't seem to be any other word in the whole language using this sound for oo).
Floor/door and poor might differ depending on dialect
And the whole point of zoology and cooperative is that they aren't digraphs (hence why some super posh people write coöperative)
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What about similar oddities in English?
(This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.The English language is so retarded yet we use it for international communication, and it is too late to stop it.
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Be the change you want to see. Making people cringe as bonus!
It's only cringy because you're not used to it. If someone says "I goed to work yesterday" you would know exactly what they meant.
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It's only cringy because you're not used to it. If someone says "I goed to work yesterday" you would know exactly what they meant.
Yes and then cringe.
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Welcome to english, where rules are actually the exceptions
wrote last edited by [email protected]I before E, except after C!
As long as you don't count the word caffeine. Or protein. Or species. Or seize or heinous or leisure or weird or feign or their or reignite or any of the other 923 words that are exceptions to this rule lol.
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We should be consistent and say "readed". While we're on the subject, why isn't the past tense of go "goed"?
Although the past tense of write is wrote, so maybe for read it should be rode.... dammit!
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What about similar oddities in English?
(This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.wrote last edited by [email protected]One of my favourites is the word jam, which can mean:
- A fruit preserve
- Traffic that's stopped
- To play music
- A door that won't open
- A difficult situation
- To force something in somewhere it's not supposed to be
- To interrupt a signal
- Something you don't like or can't do ("that's not my jam")
And probably others, all spelled and pronounced the same way but with wildly different meanings depending on the context.
The other English thing I find super interesting is how there's a sort of unspoken but very clearly understood order to adjectives. So for example, if I say "The big old red wooden door" it works as a description, but if I say "The wooden old red big door" it sounds weird even though it's the same information. People aren't usually formally taught the order (as far as I know), but everyone seems to understand it.
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And the alarm goes off means it actually starts ringing. Weird language indeed!
And this might just be a UK thing but if a person goes off it means they get really angry. And it can mean to leave for somewhere.
So a firework goes off which makes the fire alarm go off which makes the safety officer go off. Then he goes off to get a fireman. But he leaves the milk out, so it goes off.
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One of my favourites is the word jam, which can mean:
- A fruit preserve
- Traffic that's stopped
- To play music
- A door that won't open
- A difficult situation
- To force something in somewhere it's not supposed to be
- To interrupt a signal
- Something you don't like or can't do ("that's not my jam")
And probably others, all spelled and pronounced the same way but with wildly different meanings depending on the context.
The other English thing I find super interesting is how there's a sort of unspoken but very clearly understood order to adjectives. So for example, if I say "The big old red wooden door" it works as a description, but if I say "The wooden old red big door" it sounds weird even though it's the same information. People aren't usually formally taught the order (as far as I know), but everyone seems to understand it.
Would be interested in more about the order - wondering if there is a name for that? I have been called out by teachers and friends and colleagues about strange sentences and it was often because I wouldn't write the 'normal' way. I've learned the conventions over the years and often find myself making edits to swap words and phrases around to meet expectations.
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The English language is so retarded yet we use it for international communication, and it is too late to stop it.
The problem is the spelling, not the language. But the problem with spelling reform is that it necessarily favours certain dialects over others so you can never please everyone.
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What about similar oddities in English?
(This question is inspired by this comic by https://www.exocomics.com/) (I couldn't find the link to the actual comic)
Edit: it's to its in the title. Damn autocorrect.Words that produce the same sounds should have same spelling.
Read in past tense and red is the same sound, so why isn't past tense of read - red?Why most 'c' in words produce 'k' sounds?
Car and kar also produce the same sounds, so why C instead of K?
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Brooch is pronounced like roach
It may be pronounced either way, and may also be spelled "broach", an alternate spelling which is very common although probably slightly less than this chart implies given multiple meanings of "broach".
I'm not really informed on this history of this word, but I think it's possible that the "brooch" spelling increased in frequency along with the pronunciation that rhymes with "mooch" while people who pronounce it to rhyme with "roach" are more likely to spell it as "broach".
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Would be interested in more about the order - wondering if there is a name for that? I have been called out by teachers and friends and colleagues about strange sentences and it was often because I wouldn't write the 'normal' way. I've learned the conventions over the years and often find myself making edits to swap words and phrases around to meet expectations.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Apparently it's called the Royal Order of Adjectives, and it's essentially: determiner, opinion, size, shape, age, colour, origin, material, qualifier.
You don't have to use all of those in the description, but that's broadly the order to use them in to make it sound 'right'. So for example in the comment I made above, it fits because I used:
- determiner (The)
- size (big)
- age (old)
- colour (red)
- material (wooden)
in that order. I'm sure I was never taught that in any organized way (I just had to look up what it was called lol) but I still got it in the right order anyway just by typing it out in the way that felt right, which I think is interesting.
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The French word for goose is Oie, pronounced "ua"
It's really not.
Maybe if you pronounce an English 'u', but not a French one.
Source: I'm French Canadian.
