Fairphone announces the €599 Fairphone 6, with a 6.31" 120Hz LTPO OLED display, a Snapdragon 7s Gen 3 chip, and enhanced modularity with 12 swappable parts
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Okay so now this is my fault. Do you know how many adapters I lost before I needed one?
Yes, losing your things is your fault lol
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Yes, losing your things is your fault lol
Is it my fault when having the things in the first place is just a hacky workaround driven by corporate greed?
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You can - Samsung phones are really well supported for that.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Can you show an example of one from 3 years ago?
Because my experience was that most ROMs were based on AOSP/ LineageOS , which supports very few Samsung phones, and no flagships since the 2018 S10.
And even of those, many didn't support IMS/VoLTE/VoWiFi which made them useless in any geos that didn't have 3G fallback for voice. You can't make or receive phone calls.
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I'm back to statistical significant data, and why it is important to have good data scientists in the loop. The idea is precisely to ask the questions you are asking. Would have been different if…? Then try to control for other variables in order to avoid the induction error. How do you know they didn't do this with their data?
That's why I mention other phone models. There are Sony phones with and without jacks. There are Asus phones with and without jacks. How did they perform compared to each other? How far away is that difference from what could be expected from randomness? How does that difference compare when the other factors are compensated for? How do they compare with other phones?
I assume they did their homework, and also want to sell more earbuds. They wouldn't push for earbuds and wireless if headphone jacks were market drivers. It would be cheaper to install a headphone jack rather than updating the BT board? Maybe, I don't know. But if other factors have a significant impact on sales while the jack doesn't. Then they have their decision made for them. Market research is not about being right all the time, it is not magic, it is about reducing uncertainty and risk in making decisions. Precisely because there are other phone makers with a headphone jack that do worse than the Fairphone is base enough to understand why they feel safe keeping that feature out. It doesn't add sales and its absence doesn't reduce them significantly either. So they know they are free to keep going even if some vocal critics will be pissed, the actual buyers couldn't care any less.
Money is a powerful motivator to do really crappy things, and Apple has done exactly that for decades now. Others are following suit in the lucrative accessory market.
But this is the smoking gun, pointed at the consumer.
Dongles are an admission that the phones they come with don't work in the way the company knows its consumers need them to.
Almost as insidious as how the inkjet printer manufacturers vendor lock and upcharge for ink. Profitable? Indeed. Despicable and anti-consumer? Very much so.
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I can't help but detect some passive hostility in your response.
Give me a break.
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Phone thickness is far from the only consideration. But Ok, you are right. There was space on the iPhone 7. That was also the first water resistant phone. Does this guy phone's is still IP67 compliant after all the surgery he made. And that was in 2016, when IP67 headphone jacks didn't exist. Now the phone standard is IP68. There were no IP68 compliant headphone jacks until recently, I think the ASUS Zenfone 12 is the first one.
I think companies won't bring the headphone jack (a shame, really). But the writing is in the wall, it went away, and phones still sold like hotcakes. While those with headphone jacks aren't being bought anywhere near the same volume. So the signal is very clear, the effort to add a headphone jack — however little it may be — is not financially worth it. It is a feature that doesn't drive sales. Period.
Now the phone standard is IP68. There were no IP68 compliant headphone jacks until recently, I think the ASUS Zenfone 12 is the first one.
The phone I'm literally holding right now (Xperia 5V) is IP68 compliant and has a jack...
it went away, and phones still sold like hotcakes
Well yeah, you basically need smartphones, it's not very optional. What's your point?
While those with headphone jacks aren’t being bought anywhere near the same volume. So the signal is very clear
There are very little options with headphone jacks so yeah, your math is on point. Lol. How can a product that doesn't exist sale in high volumes?
It is a feature that doesn’t drive sales. Period.
Correlation is not causation.
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Is it my fault when having the things in the first place is just a hacky workaround driven by corporate greed?
Yes, it is your fault for losing or breaking your own property. Take some responsibility. When I moved to a phone without a headphone jack while driving a car that I plug my phone in via headphone jack, I simply kept the adapter plugged in to the cable in the car. It never broke. It never got lost. It stayed there until I got a Bluetooth head unit.
I’ve still got it in a drawer ready for if I ever needed it again, but since I’m not an audiophile with a $10k+ sound system listening to FLACs from my phone I don’t need it.
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Can you show an example of one from 3 years ago?
Because my experience was that most ROMs were based on AOSP/ LineageOS , which supports very few Samsung phones, and no flagships since the 2018 S10.
And even of those, many didn't support IMS/VoLTE/VoWiFi which made them useless in any geos that didn't have 3G fallback for voice. You can't make or receive phone calls.
Oh I just meant rooting not custom ROMs as I've never tried any. Rooted android will get you very far on its own so custom ROMs often feel like an overkill tbh
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Yes, it is your fault for losing or breaking your own property. Take some responsibility. When I moved to a phone without a headphone jack while driving a car that I plug my phone in via headphone jack, I simply kept the adapter plugged in to the cable in the car. It never broke. It never got lost. It stayed there until I got a Bluetooth head unit.
I’ve still got it in a drawer ready for if I ever needed it again, but since I’m not an audiophile with a $10k+ sound system listening to FLACs from my phone I don’t need it.
Bullshit
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You know you’ve got not argument when you have to compare a $700 dollar phone to a $5 dongle for your argument to even make sense.
Oh, so I should buy $100 dongles then? lol Everyone's argument about the dongles is that they're super cheap, that's why I made the comparison.
In those phones the DAC is used primarily for phone calls.
Oh really? And how exactly do you think that the phone is generating the audio that comes through its speaker when you're doing anything else? Like listening to music, videos, etc? Does your phone really not make a single sound apart from the audio in phone calls?
I wasn’t talking about some cheap $5 dongle, I specifically said quality headphones
headphone =/= dongle
The dongle is what you connect TO the headphone. Regardless, be more specific then. What's the one you recommend? Should I buy $50 dongles then and keep them attached to my headphones? Since I use 4/5 of them does that mean that it's ok in your opinion that I now need to spend $250 in dongles instead of just having a tiny, cheap, reliable jack on my $700 phone?
How much more specific do I need to be when I explicitly say "USB-C headphones"? What do you think USB-C stands for?
You could've done a single web search yo find that you can buy wired headphones that go straight into the USB-C port.No dongle required. But you're too busy foaming from the mouth like a rabid dog to even understand what I said.
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How much more specific do I need to be when I explicitly say "USB-C headphones"? What do you think USB-C stands for?
You could've done a single web search yo find that you can buy wired headphones that go straight into the USB-C port.No dongle required. But you're too busy foaming from the mouth like a rabid dog to even understand what I said.
Well, you do need to be specific because like 99% of headphones terminate in a 3.5mm jack or a quarter inch jack. You were referring to a vert very limited subset of headphones.
It's honestly kinda dumb to buy a headphone, which only needs an analogue voltage signal to work, that terminates in usb-c. Specially considering that there are still loads of devices that don't have that port. Even if a computer has it, it's likely that it only has 1 or 2 of them which might already be in use. For example, my work laptop has 2 usb-c and I'm using one of them to charge it and the other to connect a monitor.
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Bullshit
You can’t even admit that losing something of yours is your own fault lol. We’re not going to get anything of value from you on this.
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Or there wasn't good enough engineering to begin with to achieve usb 3 speeds. Seems like they should have got it right before using it as a reason to cripple the thing further.
Eh I don't really see a necessary use case to get angry over it.. Transfers over WiFi have been faster than USB on pretty much all phones for a while now, and way more convenient.
I just drop files into my phone with kde connect. It means I can even start a transfer and wonder off with the phone and the mesh network keeps it going
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No headphone jack means I won't even consider it, very sad to see it's still the case.
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Yes but that's still 2.1" too large to be comfortable to use for many people.
My 6" Pixel is just as uncomfortable to use as my 4" Nexus S was. 99.99% screen to body won't change that fact.
I don't think that's true in the slightest. A phone 2.1" smaller in diagonal length than my current one would be smaller than a Nokia 3310.
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I don't think that's true in the slightest. A phone 2.1" smaller in diagonal length than my current one would be smaller than a Nokia 3310.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yes but the phone physically cannot be smaller than the screen.
So if the screen itself is too large to be comfortable, it is physically impossible to make it comfortable to use without making the screen smaller.
I measured the radius my thumb can reach, I know exactly the limits of my reach, and thus exactly the largest screen I can use without causing discomfort in my wrist.
The point I am trying to make is that the ideal phone size is personal to the individual. There is no one size fits all. Screen to body ratio cannot change that.
This is why, despite the screen to body ratio improving, a subset of people still ask for smaller phones.
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If I've asked a question twice and you've danced around it both times, that tells everyone what your answer is.
someone who is often listening to music with their phone and wired headphones, or even just when arriving at home from work, is going to use both the charger and the jack at the same time frequently.
another scenario is if the person uses their phone as the microphone for their PC.
you can argue that both must be rare because you have never seen them done, that's my exact opinion about wireless charging
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“It's not in front of my face, so it doesn't exists!”
That's literally the thinking abilities of a toddler. Wireless chargers sell like hotcakes. MagSafe charger is Apple's most popular accessory in their entire history.
that's the same thinking that those apply who say people don't need jack connectors, mind you
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someone who is often listening to music with their phone and wired headphones, or even just when arriving at home from work, is going to use both the charger and the jack at the same time frequently.
another scenario is if the person uses their phone as the microphone for their PC.
you can argue that both must be rare because you have never seen them done, that's my exact opinion about wireless charging
Funny you bring up wireless charging.
Does that not solve your proposed problem? You can use a usb-c to audio dongle, which often comes with better sound quality than a phones DAC, and wirelessly charge, even via many powerbanks. These are features found fairly commonly in today's phones, so problem solved?
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Funny you bring up wireless charging.
Does that not solve your proposed problem? You can use a usb-c to audio dongle, which often comes with better sound quality than a phones DAC, and wirelessly charge, even via many powerbanks. These are features found fairly commonly in today's phones, so problem solved?
it does not, as my phone, and afaik most phones don't support it.
