Can i simply bake frozen chicken or does it actually need to thaw over several hours or immersed in cold water or something?
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Mmm, nice pink center
I like my chicken rare
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"Potentially" dangerous for the chicken? Isn't the chicken usually dead by this point?
Not in this house, but you do you.
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No you won't. This whole defrost conversation always bothers the hell out of me because people leave out a very important factor. Will the defrosted item be consumed right away or will it be cooked first?
Cooking it kills the bacteria that would've came about during defrosting in the "danger zone". I'm not saying you can leave it on the counter for a week but it's not as bad as a lot of people on the internet make it sound.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Wait what? Do you not know why this is a food safety issue?
Bacteria like to grow. Do you know what cooking does? Yep! It kills the bacteria. Here's the thing though...as the bacteria are growing before we kill them, they are all making waste products.
Do you know what cooking does NOT destroy? Yup, bacterial waste products.
Think of it like this. When certain bacteria grow, they make a poison as a byproduct. For our purposes, pretend the byproduct is bleach.
What happens when you put a living being in a 200 degree oven? It dies. What happens when you put bleach in a 200 degree oven? Maybe it will turn into vapor...idk...but once it cools and recondenses, it's still going to be bleach.
Some cases of food poisoning are due to colonization by live bacteria, but other cases of food poisoning are due to bacterial waste chemicals/byproducts, even if all of the pathogens are killed.
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LOL, I throw my meat (wrapped) on the hood of the pickup and let it cook in the summer sun for a couple of hours. Always astonishes me at what people deem unsafe. Some y'all would starve to death within 2-weeks if teleported to the middle ages.
My wife wraps the dinner leftovers, leaves it on the table, we eat it for lunch, or sometimes dinner the next day. And here come the rebuttals:
YOU WILL DIE!
We haven't had a single tummy ache.
YOU WILL DIE!
Lived like this our whole lives, into middle age. No tummy aches.
YOU WILL DIE EVENTUALLY!
Got me there.
Most of y'all would be horrified at how we lived Hurricane Ivan. Buddy brought a 5g bucket of meat over. No electricity, no refrigeration. We cooked everything to hell and back, ate the seafood that evening, munched on the beef and chicken for 3 days after.
I suspect everyone took a health or food prep class and decided any meat left under 140°F for X minutes instantly and magically turns to poison. Now I'm going to go all anti-vaxer: I hAve aN ImmUnE SySTem!
The people who throw away leftovers after a day or two (or refuse to eat leftovers) are insane. Theyâre the same ones who wonât drink a bottle of water after its âexpiration dateâ. Smell the thing. If itâs gross, get rid of it. Otherwise, itâs fine. I mean damn, people.
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Wait what? Do you not know why this is a food safety issue?
Bacteria like to grow. Do you know what cooking does? Yep! It kills the bacteria. Here's the thing though...as the bacteria are growing before we kill them, they are all making waste products.
Do you know what cooking does NOT destroy? Yup, bacterial waste products.
Think of it like this. When certain bacteria grow, they make a poison as a byproduct. For our purposes, pretend the byproduct is bleach.
What happens when you put a living being in a 200 degree oven? It dies. What happens when you put bleach in a 200 degree oven? Maybe it will turn into vapor...idk...but once it cools and recondenses, it's still going to be bleach.
Some cases of food poisoning are due to colonization by live bacteria, but other cases of food poisoning are due to bacterial waste chemicals/byproducts, even if all of the pathogens are killed.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]There's a difference between food or meat that had been refrigerated and then was sat out and allowed to return to room temperature as compared to meat that is frozen and is allowed to de-thaw for a few hours.
The ice inside of the meat will keep the overall meat cool enough that bacteria will not grow on it for a while.
I have been thawing meat for over a decade and sitting some meat out in a bowl or on a plate and allowing it to thaw for two or three hours has never gotten anybody sick from my cooking.
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Please explain how you think frozen chicken in an air fryer would turn out ok. I'm curious.
Got a hunch that their idea of air frying chicken is pre-cooked and frozen chicken tenders
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I like my chicken rare
Can I have your stuff?
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LOL, I throw my meat (wrapped) on the hood of the pickup and let it cook in the summer sun for a couple of hours. Always astonishes me at what people deem unsafe. Some y'all would starve to death within 2-weeks if teleported to the middle ages.
My wife wraps the dinner leftovers, leaves it on the table, we eat it for lunch, or sometimes dinner the next day. And here come the rebuttals:
YOU WILL DIE!
We haven't had a single tummy ache.
YOU WILL DIE!
Lived like this our whole lives, into middle age. No tummy aches.
YOU WILL DIE EVENTUALLY!
Got me there.
Most of y'all would be horrified at how we lived Hurricane Ivan. Buddy brought a 5g bucket of meat over. No electricity, no refrigeration. We cooked everything to hell and back, ate the seafood that evening, munched on the beef and chicken for 3 days after.
I suspect everyone took a health or food prep class and decided any meat left under 140°F for X minutes instantly and magically turns to poison. Now I'm going to go all anti-vaxer: I hAve aN ImmUnE SySTem!
Yeah, the health and safety standards are for a commercial kitchen, and are wildly conservative. I'd follow those standards if I was serving food for someone else. But, I'd also take the "expired" leftovers home and eat for a few more days.
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Please explain how you think frozen chicken in an air fryer would turn out ok. I'm curious.
https://foodess.com/air-fryer-frozen-chicken-breast/
The fuck? Literally tons of recipes online for it.
Its actually better than thawed. It keeps the center super moist.
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Air frying a frozen chicken is like the perfect way to burn the outside while keeping the inside raw.
https://foodess.com/air-fryer-frozen-chicken-breast/
No just no... it's completely fine.
Lol fucking down voting me doesn't magically make you correct. Frozen chicken breast in the air fryer will make it juicy inside.
Have any of you ever cooked anything before? Lol air fryers are just convection ovens. Lol
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https://foodess.com/air-fryer-frozen-chicken-breast/
No just no... it's completely fine.
Lol fucking down voting me doesn't magically make you correct. Frozen chicken breast in the air fryer will make it juicy inside.
Have any of you ever cooked anything before? Lol air fryers are just convection ovens. Lol
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No they are not. The thing that separates them is how efficiently they take moisture away from food by moving air around with methods that are not convection.
It's the reason you can get soggier fries in a regular oven when compared to an air fryer.
That said, a lot of air fryers are close to convection ovens because they either missed the concept or were designed poorly.
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There's a difference between food or meat that had been refrigerated and then was sat out and allowed to return to room temperature as compared to meat that is frozen and is allowed to de-thaw for a few hours.
The ice inside of the meat will keep the overall meat cool enough that bacteria will not grow on it for a while.
I have been thawing meat for over a decade and sitting some meat out in a bowl or on a plate and allowing it to thaw for two or three hours has never gotten anybody sick from my cooking.
"I've been firing guns in the air for decades and never hit a bystander in town, no way that's a thing"
"I've fucked girls without condoms for more than a decade, sexual diseases aren't real"
"My grandma smoked for 60 years and died from bowel cancer, not lung cancer."
"I'm not vaccinated, and never got COVID"
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Not in this house, but you do you.
You're still good to fuck that chicken before you chop its head off! Yeee haw!
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You would have to chop it up into manageable pieces, somehow, while it's frozen. Then bake or fry or whatever.
Basically make your own chicken nuggets, which are designed to be baked from frozen.
Then the problem becomes cutting solid chicken into slices or strips or bite size cubes. Not sure how to do that reliably or safely
Actually, partially frozen chicken is much easier to cut anyways.
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Maybe like 20 minutes at 325F?
This 1,000% will not work (assuming it's a cutlet / thighs or something). This is not enough for even a defrosted chicken breast.
There are ways you can do it, other people have commented some approaches (basically, cut it up, if you want it to work). But (a) it's unsafe without a meat thermometer (b) it will probably be a failure unless you're pretty skilled. Definitely don't just throw it in at 325, the most likely outcome is that you'll have to leave it way longer than 20 minutes, and then give up once it's getting dried and awful around the outside, and have to take it out anyway and slice it up and fry it or something, because the inside is still raw.
Not to mention (if you're in the US) the deregulation that's happening. You need to be extra careful now because nothing is being looked at like it should, and the only recalls happening now are from companies doing it on their own to avoid being sued down the line.
Chicken and anything ground should absolutely be cooked in a way consistent with killing bacteria. Anything else is asking for horrible consequences.
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Im hungry now!
You can as long as you get the center hot enough. However baking frozen chicken often makes the meat mushy. I'd recommend a thaw first.
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This is why air fryers or a sous vide are perfect for frozen foods. Air fryer chicken is super simple and pretty quick. Sous vide even easier but takes a bit longer.
Edit: because you lot seem to not understand that an air fryer is just a convection oven...
https://foodess.com/air-fryer-frozen-chicken-breast/
https://realsimplegood.com/air-fryer-frozen-chicken-breasts/
https://savaskitchen.com/frozen-chicken-breasts-in-air-fryer/
Are you all putting the air fryer on broil at 450 or something? Lol
I feel fundamentally uncomfortable with sois vide using plastic.
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"I've been firing guns in the air for decades and never hit a bystander in town, no way that's a thing"
"I've fucked girls without condoms for more than a decade, sexual diseases aren't real"
"My grandma smoked for 60 years and died from bowel cancer, not lung cancer."
"I'm not vaccinated, and never got COVID"
Letting frozen chicken thaw out for three hours is not the same as raw dogging every single chick you meet at a bar for a decade.
That's textbook false equivalence, lol.
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Using warm water is unsafe. Cold water only.
I've been using lukewarm water for decades. It's fine
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You can as long as you get the center hot enough. However baking frozen chicken often makes the meat mushy. I'd recommend a thaw first.
Cooking from raw can result in a beautifully delicate interior. The key is to start at a lower temp and then raise it to your normal temp after a certain temp is hit. I did my turkey this way this year all because of this video. In case you don't know who Chris Young is, he was the science consultant at The Fat Duck, co founder of ChefSteps, inventor of the Joule, and co-author to The Modernist Cookbook.
