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Why are most religious people so easy to manipulate? (serious)

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    I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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      I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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      Literally, because they're trained, usually from the age of children, to believe things without evidence. Their beliefs are based ENTIRELY on the conviction of other brainwashed idiots religious people, which can be very convincing as a small child who's otherwise completely and utterly dependant on the understanding of the adults around them.

      This is from someone who grew up in a religion and thankfully realized other peoples' conviction is absolutely NOT a valid basis for understanding truth.

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        I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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        Think about how scary and tough life is on your own. Think about everything bad that's happening, and realizing that no one is in control. This we are all aware of, but we choose to confront that. Christians at least (because it's who I grew up with so I just have the most experience) find comfort in their church. It gives them the feeling that there is someone in charge, that it's not all just chaos but there is a plan, and rules, and a defined right and wrong. (Again, ignoring all the things wrong with the church, just from my examples).

        Believing allows them to not have to worry about the world. There's a plan. It's not chaos. It's safe. To me it's very natural why people choose it, it's honestly scary facing the chaotic real world we have, and I honestly don't think most people can handle it.

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          Think about how scary and tough life is on your own. Think about everything bad that's happening, and realizing that no one is in control. This we are all aware of, but we choose to confront that. Christians at least (because it's who I grew up with so I just have the most experience) find comfort in their church. It gives them the feeling that there is someone in charge, that it's not all just chaos but there is a plan, and rules, and a defined right and wrong. (Again, ignoring all the things wrong with the church, just from my examples).

          Believing allows them to not have to worry about the world. There's a plan. It's not chaos. It's safe. To me it's very natural why people choose it, it's honestly scary facing the chaotic real world we have, and I honestly don't think most people can handle it.

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          Survival of the fittest has failed humanity many cenuries ago.

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            I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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            Many of them grew up in the church, attending 2-3 times per week and spend every single Sunday surrounded by people of one mind. As children we tend to default to believing people and when everyone you know says the same thing constantly it becomes real fucking easy to just accept as truth without questioning (especially when your religion contains a fancy "faith" clause that exists to hand wave away any inconsistency and when doubt itself is enough for an eternal trip to the fire pit).

            The real kicker is that, having been trained since birth to accept as truth anything the powerful man in the front says you are primed to fall for politicians making wild and provably false claims without presenting any evidence.

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              I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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              It's because their religion has taught them to trust religious leaders without question. They have faith that the church knows what is best for them and their community. They tend to not use critical thinking when it comes to religious matters.

              People often have a similar faith in their parents judgement. If Mom or Dad asks them to do something that seems foolish, many people will still do it simply because of the unquestioning trust they have for their parents.

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                I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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                There is also a selection bias at play here. I suspect that people who are more susceptible to manipulation are more likely to be religious.

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                  I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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                  People with a highly metaphysical worldview are easier to deceive and manipulate because their normal logic barriers have already been broken down - ie, if you already believe that the earth and everything on it was created by an omnipotent superbeing in six days, it's not much of a further leap to believe that demons are making you horny.

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                    I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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                    People are stupid. They can be made to believe any lie because either they want to believe it's true or because they are afraid it's true.

                    -Terry Goodkind, "Wizard's First Rule"

                    Hate to break it to you, it's not just religious people.

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                    • return2ozma@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                      I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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                      This does not only happen with religion. Also for example with some politicians, or nowadays 'influencers', etc.

                      It is the phenomenon that people do not like to think for themselves and decide for themselves.

                      Thinking and deciding and taking responsibility can be difficult. It may appear quite convenient when someone does it for you.

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                        I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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                        2 Corinthians 5:7

                        For we live by faith, not by sight.

                        The whole concept of faith implies believing something without proof. Not a long stretch to see how people might believe in other, non religious, things without evidence.

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                          2 Corinthians 5:7

                          For we live by faith, not by sight.

                          The whole concept of faith implies believing something without proof. Not a long stretch to see how people might believe in other, non religious, things without evidence.

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                          And not just without proof, but to ignore proof if you see it!

                          Proverbs 3:5-6
                          5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart
                          and lean not on your own understanding;
                          6 in all your ways submit to him,
                          and he will make your paths straight.

                          And

                          Proverbs 28:26
                          26 Those who trust in themselves are fools, but those who walk in wisdom are kept safe.

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                            I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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                            Complex topic, but this is a starting point: https://www.conspirituality.net/cult-dynamics-101

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                              Survival of the fittest has failed humanity many cenuries ago.

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                              Survival of the Fittest isn't failing, it just doesn't follow what you'd like to be "fittest". If a person is more reproductively successful because they're religious, guess what, that makes them "fittest". It really doesn't matter if it's stupid and illogical, just that it succeeds.

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                                I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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                                Oftentimes, people who think that they are not vulnerable are the most vulnerable ones.

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                                  People with a highly metaphysical worldview are easier to deceive and manipulate because their normal logic barriers have already been broken down - ie, if you already believe that the earth and everything on it was created by an omnipotent superbeing in six days, it's not much of a further leap to believe that demons are making you horny.

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                                  Stupid, sexy demons!

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                                    Survival of the fittest has failed humanity many cenuries ago.

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                                    Fittiest just means most adaptable to their environment.

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                                      I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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                                      I think it stems from a simple concept. People would rather outsource their own thinking about complex human issues like morality, our place in the universe, meaning in our individual lives, and anything afterlife related to someone we/they perceive as more intelligent than them or has "done the research". By and large humanity as a species is lazy, and this extends to our trains of thought as well.

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                                        I'm watching Apocalypse in the Tropics documentary on Netflix about evangelicals and politics in Brazil and it's mind boggling. Why do the religious people just blindly do whatever the pastors tell them?

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                                        I often wonder about this with regard to right wing Americans believing such ridiculous things. It's seem that what Trump supporters ultimately have in common is not one set of beliefs but a shared belief in things that make no sense: that all Democrats are paedophiles, that JFK wasn't really assassinated, that vaccines don't work, that climate change isn't real, that Donald Trump is anything but a foolish, evil corrupt man. What do these views have in common? They're fundamentally foolish things to believe.

                                        The fact is that once you believe one patently absurd thing - for example, that an interventionist god exists - your thinking gets warped. When you then make this absurdity the centre of your worldview and your identity, your views on everything become warped. After a certain point, they seem to start believing things because they make no sense.

                                        If a person believes God actually answers prayers, something there is no reason whatsoever to believe, they're primed to believe all kinds of other nonsense. This is exactly why many religious people have stopped believing in that kind of thing, and now take refuge in the idea of prayer as comfort or as asking for 'strength' rather than asking for anything specific (note that even this compromise requires them to ignore the plain meaning of the words of, e.g., the Lord's Prayer). Most people find it uncomfortable to believe in nonsense. For others, it becomes the point.

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                                          Literally, because they're trained, usually from the age of children, to believe things without evidence. Their beliefs are based ENTIRELY on the conviction of other brainwashed idiots religious people, which can be very convincing as a small child who's otherwise completely and utterly dependant on the understanding of the adults around them.

                                          This is from someone who grew up in a religion and thankfully realized other peoples' conviction is absolutely NOT a valid basis for understanding truth.

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                                          Organized religion is a means to control people. Always has been. How can anybody be surprised to learn after thousands of years they have actually perfected the craft of controlling people?

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