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Agreed, but the meat thing isn't really up for debate tho. Food production is like 30% of global emissions and meat is almost 60% of that. Add in the fact that the agg industry is functionally responsible for basically all ecosystem collapse (massive footprint, pesticides, chemicals, etc...) and we absolutely have to minimize it ASAP. As in, right now.
Halting meat production is a layup. That's not going to change no matter what our wealth distribution looks like.
wrote last edited by [email protected]It should also be mentioned that excessive meat (especially red meat) consumption is probably not healthy and causes cardiovascular disease. So, everybody has a personal interest in eating less meat.
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Other than voting for politicians that put climate change as their top issue, not eating meat is another effective method that literally anyone can do without affecting their life. Things like buying an electric car or not using natural gas to heat your home might not be options available to everyone. We can all live normal fulfilling lives without meat. You'll probably also save a decent amount on groceries, so that's a bonus!
You’ll probably also save a decent amount on groceries, so that’s a bonus!
Unfortunately, red meat is subsidized in the US so that it's dirt cheap, so it's often a "budget" option for poorer households. This is despite the well-known health downsides of red meat consumption.
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"Effective" is a relative term. Going meatless won't fix the underlying problems that allowed factory farming to destroy the world. Why aren't electric cars mandated? Why do we pipe natural gas into homes? The same shortsighted, profit-motivated decision processes will still exist even if we make better personal choices.
And not littering won't fix the underlying problems of single use plastics wrapping everything we touch, and the corporations that want to keep it that way. Doesn't mean you shouldn't litter.
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Another way to look at it: we're already over the climate brink. Your future won't have cheap/stable meat access no matter what. We can either clutch our hotdogs right up until supply chain collapse makes mass meat farming untenable or proactively discard them to make a slight difference (in conjunction with other big changes).
Same with cars, even if we completely ignore climate change we maybe got a century left of oil before it's too expensive to drive. By not investing in other transportation now we're just making it more painful when we finally do rip the bandaid off.
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So eating meat is now rebelling against the billionaires...
For every dollar a billionaire spends trying to get you to eat less meat, other billionaires spend 100x more trying to get you to eat more meat through advertising, lobbying, etc.
If you want to play into the billionaires plans, eat more meat. If you want to help stop climate change, eat less meat.
Unless you plan on actually doing something about these billionaires, like Luigi. In which case I'll personally buy you all the filet mignon you can eat.
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Still waiting for any kind of counter argument. Becoming a vegetarian is something anyone can do immediately and cuts their ties to an industry that is making climate change worse. Not driving a car or only using sustainable energy sources are great but not everyone can immediately switch away from these things.
Kurzgesagt has a video where they present a lot of research data on the topic if anyone is interested in sources to back up claims. I like the video because it's prefaced by saying the hardest part of the topic is getting people to not be offended at the idea of becoming a vegetarian, or even just eating less meat. It's difficult enough to get people to change their diets when it's causing a direct negative effect on their own health, let alone some abstract negative effect on the planet. I understand. Nobody wants to change their diet, but it's something people are capable of doing, and with so many benefits that come with it, I encourage people to at least give it a thought.
pragmatically I think reducing meat consumption rather than eliminating it is an easier sell. I'll admit, I'm too weak of will to become a vegetarian. I've been inside a chicken plant, I've seen the horrid conditions firsthand. I know the climate change impact. I know my diet is hurting animals and the climate. but I crave meat, and none of the delicious vegan food my partner makes hits the spot.
it's too hard to forswear every future pot roast, chop and drumstick. I can probably get myself to eat less meat though.
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"Effective" is a relative term. Going meatless won't fix the underlying problems that allowed factory farming to destroy the world. Why aren't electric cars mandated? Why do we pipe natural gas into homes? The same shortsighted, profit-motivated decision processes will still exist even if we make better personal choices.
Why do we pipe natural gas into homes?
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because heat pumps and green energy weren't a thing in the US until recently!
heat efficiency is weird. electric heaters are 100% efficient, but 1) they're only as efficient as the generator, and 2) transmission losses add up. and until recently, most power was generated by coal and natural gas. turning those into electricity is lossy, since lots of energy is lost as waste heat. so why not send the gas you were going to burn for electricity directly to the customer?
heat pumps can be 300-400% efficient, since they move heat - from outdoors, into the home - rather than generating it. they can get >100% efficiency even in cold climates! but stupidly the US never bothered make our air conditioners reversible, or every home would have a heat pump by now.
and with solar/wind (for peak) + nuclear or grid storage (for base) power, we can now get rid of natural gas. ...once we give everybody heat pumps. ...and shutdown our gas generators. ...we should probably get on that.
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Hey can we not eat burgers? There's plenty of other options
DELUSIONAL 🤬🤬🤬
Yes, you are. You literally just displayed that in your comment. What you said isn't anything like the other guy.
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Still waiting for any kind of counter argument. Becoming a vegetarian is something anyone can do immediately and cuts their ties to an industry that is making climate change worse. Not driving a car or only using sustainable energy sources are great but not everyone can immediately switch away from these things.
Kurzgesagt has a video where they present a lot of research data on the topic if anyone is interested in sources to back up claims. I like the video because it's prefaced by saying the hardest part of the topic is getting people to not be offended at the idea of becoming a vegetarian, or even just eating less meat. It's difficult enough to get people to change their diets when it's causing a direct negative effect on their own health, let alone some abstract negative effect on the planet. I understand. Nobody wants to change their diet, but it's something people are capable of doing, and with so many benefits that come with it, I encourage people to at least give it a thought.
Stay mad.
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why does your video have pieces of dust flying across it
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So eating meat is now rebelling against the billionaires...
For every dollar a billionaire spends trying to get you to eat less meat, other billionaires spend 100x more trying to get you to eat more meat through advertising, lobbying, etc.
If you want to play into the billionaires plans, eat more meat. If you want to help stop climate change, eat less meat.
Unless you plan on actually doing something about these billionaires, like Luigi. In which case I'll personally buy you all the filet mignon you can eat.
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Both things can be true at the same time.
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It should also be mentioned that excessive meat (especially red meat) consumption is probably not healthy and causes cardiovascular disease. So, everybody has a personal interest in eating less meat.
Many people don't give a real fuck about their health (until they got problems). But yeah, for everybody who does it is a another good argument.
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Why do we pipe natural gas into homes?
puts on Technology Connections hat
because heat pumps and green energy weren't a thing in the US until recently!
heat efficiency is weird. electric heaters are 100% efficient, but 1) they're only as efficient as the generator, and 2) transmission losses add up. and until recently, most power was generated by coal and natural gas. turning those into electricity is lossy, since lots of energy is lost as waste heat. so why not send the gas you were going to burn for electricity directly to the customer?
heat pumps can be 300-400% efficient, since they move heat - from outdoors, into the home - rather than generating it. they can get >100% efficiency even in cold climates! but stupidly the US never bothered make our air conditioners reversible, or every home would have a heat pump by now.
and with solar/wind (for peak) + nuclear or grid storage (for base) power, we can now get rid of natural gas. ...once we give everybody heat pumps. ...and shutdown our gas generators. ...we should probably get on that.
No, I'm sorry, the answe is "profit." The US has a lot of natural gas, and the people who force it out of the ground bought enough politicians to build pipelines everywherr so we could sell gas to more people. Electric and heat pumps are far more efficient, but the cost per btu of heat is so cheap for natural gas that it doesn't make sense to switch to electric even when the energy costs are low, and the cost to install a heatpump or geothermal might reduce monthly costs, but it would be decades before it pays for itself. Most people don't expect to live in a house long enough to reap the benefits of more efficient investments.
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Same with cars, even if we completely ignore climate change we maybe got a century left of oil before it's too expensive to drive. By not investing in other transportation now we're just making it more painful when we finally do rip the bandaid off.
The water wars will probably kill us off before we run out of oil.
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There's something terribly offputting to me about this art/animation style yet it keeps cropping up in various shows
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Most climate ads etc aew propaganda by the billionaires to convince us that it’s our fault the planet is fucked. It’s actually their fault and im done taking the blame
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There's something terribly offputting to me about this art/animation style yet it keeps cropping up in various shows
Cell-shaded 3D CGI mixed with traditional cartoon style?
I first saw this in Futurama in the late 90s for a TV show.
For CGI mixing without cell-shading, the ballroom in Beauty and the Beast did this.
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Most climate ads etc aew propaganda by the billionaires to convince us that it’s our fault the planet is fucked. It’s actually their fault and im done taking the blame
We need to map out the bunkers / assets of our elites. To better play chicken with them. Let's all live like they do and if their example destroys the world, we make sure to clean up our mess on our way out... for the people who come after us.
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Most of the problem with meat production comes from the way we produce meat, rather than the amount. Which is inevitably dictated by big money interests, simply being allowed to do whatever they want, in order to maximize profit margins.
Bovines produce huge amounts of methane. There is no getting around that fact.
