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Germany Turns to U.S. Playbook: Deportations Target Gaza War Protesters

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    The article is borderline. Because it suggests that the people would ONLY be deported because they protested. But, as it says in the article, they SHOULD be deported because they have committed criminal offences. And criminal offences are not just murders or rapes.

    And yes, this is exactly what has been demanded for months: Foreign offenders should be deported more quickly and less ruthlessly. Especially if they come from safe countries. Here, for example, Ireland. The fact that these offences were committed in connection with protests doesn't provide any protection, and I find it extremely sensational to even begin to compare this with what is happening in the USA.

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    “As a trans person, the idea of going back to the U.S. right now feels really scary.”

    Right, "safe country".

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      Going to need another source than intercept to believe this story. They have a history of sensationalization or leaving important details out.

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      https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nach-beteiligung-an-palastina-protesten-in-berlin-drei-eu-burgern-und-einem-studenten-aus-den-usa-droht-ausweisung-13468543.html

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        The Intercept is not a trustworthy source for news. What they do is quite simply activism.

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        activism is not the bad word that far-right groups have indoctrinated people to believe it is.

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          You know that occupations of universities have a long history in Germany and are both reveered in hindsight and usually tolerated at their time, like the previous occupation of HU in 2017 for Andrej Holm. https://www.hu-berlin.de/de/pr/nachrichten/archiv/nr1701/nr_170131_00

          Back then nobody was threatened with deportation.

          This is not normal, also not for Germany. Again there is no specific criminal convictions of the people threatened now.

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          I think the issue is not a peaceful occupation. Those are happening quite frequently, but the massive destruction they did. I participated in some occupations during my studies and that went without any damage. People did occupy a lecture hall or some university building, but left it without doing six-figure damages or threatening employees. That was quite a different thing here and therefore is handled differently.

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            I think the issue is not a peaceful occupation. Those are happening quite frequently, but the massive destruction they did. I participated in some occupations during my studies and that went without any damage. People did occupy a lecture hall or some university building, but left it without doing six-figure damages or threatening employees. That was quite a different thing here and therefore is handled differently.

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            There were previous peaceful protest camps on the campus grounds, which are public space. Those got violently evicted.

            Then months later people escalated to more destructive occupations as a response to the initial violent escalation by the University and Police.

            Somebody pointed out that in Berlin the third University TU, did not face such escalations, as the University Director chose to talk with people rather than have them beaten up by police. Students even came to defend her, when the racist and mysogynist government of Berlin pushed for her to be fired for having liked a post that criticized Israels conduct from a legally sound perspective.

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              There were previous peaceful protest camps on the campus grounds, which are public space. Those got violently evicted.

              Then months later people escalated to more destructive occupations as a response to the initial violent escalation by the University and Police.

              Somebody pointed out that in Berlin the third University TU, did not face such escalations, as the University Director chose to talk with people rather than have them beaten up by police. Students even came to defend her, when the racist and mysogynist government of Berlin pushed for her to be fired for having liked a post that criticized Israels conduct from a legally sound perspective.

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              It still is their choice that they willingly started that violence. And let's be honest: If you want to protest against the war or even maybe try to find a way to find a way for peace in the middle east, violent destruction of a german university building is not the way

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                There were previous peaceful protest camps on the campus grounds, which are public space. Those got violently evicted.

                Then months later people escalated to more destructive occupations as a response to the initial violent escalation by the University and Police.

                Somebody pointed out that in Berlin the third University TU, did not face such escalations, as the University Director chose to talk with people rather than have them beaten up by police. Students even came to defend her, when the racist and mysogynist government of Berlin pushed for her to be fired for having liked a post that criticized Israels conduct from a legally sound perspective.

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                The state government is mysogynist and racist?

                @Saleh @Obelix

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                  The state government is mysogynist and racist?

                  @Saleh @Obelix

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                  The mayor of Berlin, Kai Wegner, has demanded that police should release the names of minors, who were suspected of criminal activity around new years eve 2023, so that people could determine by their names, whether they are "real Germans" as in German by blood, or whether they are "merely" German citizens.

                  As for mysogony:

                  https://novaramedia.com/2024/11/28/berlin-police-brutalise-women-at-anti-violence-demonstration/
                  https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/5/25/punched-choked-kicked-german-police-crack-down-on-student-protests
                  https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2024/08/25/pro-palestinian-marchers-tell-of-arbitrary-violence-by-berlin-police/
                  https://hyphenonline.com/2024/10/04/ava-moayeri-germany-pro-palestine-protest-free-speech-police-arrest-violence/
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Vr8rBtWOc
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Txy6MnoEDE
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exRIsj73QUQ
                  https://gewerkschaftliche-linke-berlin.de/erklaerung-zur-polizeigewalt-am-8-maerz-auf-der-demonstration-until-total-liberation-in-berlin/

                  All of this violence is protected and supported by the government of Berlin.

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                    The mayor of Berlin, Kai Wegner, has demanded that police should release the names of minors, who were suspected of criminal activity around new years eve 2023, so that people could determine by their names, whether they are "real Germans" as in German by blood, or whether they are "merely" German citizens.

                    As for mysogony:

                    https://novaramedia.com/2024/11/28/berlin-police-brutalise-women-at-anti-violence-demonstration/
                    https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2024/5/25/punched-choked-kicked-german-police-crack-down-on-student-protests
                    https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2024/08/25/pro-palestinian-marchers-tell-of-arbitrary-violence-by-berlin-police/
                    https://hyphenonline.com/2024/10/04/ava-moayeri-germany-pro-palestine-protest-free-speech-police-arrest-violence/
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Vr8rBtWOc
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Txy6MnoEDE
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exRIsj73QUQ
                    https://gewerkschaftliche-linke-berlin.de/erklaerung-zur-polizeigewalt-am-8-maerz-auf-der-demonstration-until-total-liberation-in-berlin/

                    All of this violence is protected and supported by the government of Berlin.

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                    Bloody hell. I already assumed that something was going wrong in Berlin when I heard what state police is doing with the Adenauer SRP+ but this shows that the problem situation in Berlin is not limited to the state police. Now I'm heavily concerned.

                    #BerlinCorruption
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                      It still is their choice that they willingly started that violence. And let's be honest: If you want to protest against the war or even maybe try to find a way to find a way for peace in the middle east, violent destruction of a german university building is not the way

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                      FU Berlin is cooperating with Israeli Universities and by this cooperation making itself willfully complicit in Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity For instance the FU Berlin funnels exchange students to participate in land stealing by an exchange program with the "Hebrew University", who then houses these students in illegal settlements. Furthermore Israeli Universities are not merely educating people or providing research. They also directly run logistics and computer systems for the IDF, which makes them direct participants in war crimes such as the murder of women and children.

                      https://jewishcurrents.org/the-complicity-of-israeli-academia
                      https://bds-fu.de/de/report/#strategic-partnership-with-hebrew-university-of-jerusalem

                      As such pushing for an end of FU complicity in Israeli crimes is similar to demanding sanctions against military research cooperation with Russia. FU Berlin and other German universities are complicit and in support of Israel crimes. A full boycott would be in accordance with their obligations under international law, as was reaffirmed by the ICJ in The Hague with their "Advisory opinion" regarding the illegal occupation and subjugation of Palestinians by Israel.

                      If you see someone murdering another person and you would have the means to stop it, would it not be your duty to try? Instead you are condemning the people that fought back against the supporters of mass murder, after the supporters of mass murder started beating them up when they tried to raise their concerns peacefully. Maybe it helps to replace Israel with Trump or with Russia in thinking about these situations. Would you accept disruptive protests if FU or any other German university would send exchange students to a Russian University built in occupied Ukraine?

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