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Russia says it will react “very negatively” if Ali Khamenei is killed

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    Meh. I don't see much steering room for their course. It isn't Russia by the way, it's Putin and his regime.

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      Watching the divide in republican circles on Iran has been a great way to see who is under Kremlin control. Most are who we already knew: Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson, Rand Paul, etc.

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        What are they going to do? Record 3 hour video of p*tin narrating imaginary history?

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          Russia's basically already on two fronts and just lost a huge proportion of its strategic bombers.

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            Watching the divide in republican circles on Iran has been a great way to see who is under Kremlin control. Most are who we already knew: Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson, Rand Paul, etc.

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            Yeah the entire US intelligence arm, really any public intelligence period, etc.

            I vehemently disagree with those folks you mentioned but gotta say, not wanting to get involved in another war in the Middle East built on outright lies doesn’t make them Kremlin controlled. It’s other things.

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              Meh. I don't see much steering room for their course. It isn't Russia by the way, it's Putin and his regime.

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              As long as they control the government, military, police and other stuff putin and his regime are russia. If russians don't like that they can make their own Maidan.

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                Watching the divide in republican circles on Iran has been a great way to see who is under Kremlin control. Most are who we already knew: Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson, Rand Paul, etc.

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                Yeah real red blooded Americans want world war III

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                  Yeah the entire US intelligence arm, really any public intelligence period, etc.

                  I vehemently disagree with those folks you mentioned but gotta say, not wanting to get involved in another war in the Middle East built on outright lies doesn’t make them Kremlin controlled. It’s other things.

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                  I'm just saying that it's amusing the only anti-war Republicans in the administration and Congress are ones who've long looked, acted, and quacked like Kremlin assets:

                  • You've got Tulsi Gabbard literally echoing Kremlin propaganda verbatim on Western imperialism (yet not making a peep about Russia's invasion of Ukraine)
                  • You've got Tucker Carlson flying to Moscow, simping for Putin, trying to show how great Russia is in contrast to the USA.
                  • You've got Rand Paul flying to Moscow hand-delivering letters on behalf of Trump.

                  There may be an intersection of my desire to not want to escalate for completely different reasons, and Kremlin operatives not wanting their ally and arms supplier to be crippled, but that is all.

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                    What are they going to do? Record 3 hour video of p*tin narrating imaginary history?

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                    Nah, they'll just use AI to do that.

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                    • lennybird@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                      I'm just saying that it's amusing the only anti-war Republicans in the administration and Congress are ones who've long looked, acted, and quacked like Kremlin assets:

                      • You've got Tulsi Gabbard literally echoing Kremlin propaganda verbatim on Western imperialism (yet not making a peep about Russia's invasion of Ukraine)
                      • You've got Tucker Carlson flying to Moscow, simping for Putin, trying to show how great Russia is in contrast to the USA.
                      • You've got Rand Paul flying to Moscow hand-delivering letters on behalf of Trump.

                      There may be an intersection of my desire to not want to escalate for completely different reasons, and Kremlin operatives not wanting their ally and arms supplier to be crippled, but that is all.

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                      All of those things you mentioned? Exactly what I was referencing earlier.

                      Definitely a fair point with one of Russia’s key military suppliers potentially being crippled, I agree. There have been other republican detractors in congress who don’t fall into the same boat and, again, I’m not sure I can really fault Gabbard (in this very specific context mind you) for just reiterating what the US’ own intelligence is saying.

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                        Khamenei is weak. Maybe he wasn’t in the beginning, but he has been for the past decade or so. Killing him is risky for US and Israel as that may potentially give Iran another stronger leader. Russia doesn’t want change either as Khamenei is known and manageable.

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                          Killing Khamenei would be a bad move. That's how martyrs are made, and they are already dialed up to 11 in Iran, so there is no reason to pour even more oil in the fire.

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                            Oh no are they going to lose another million soldiers about it and crash their economy even harder?

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                              "Russia is very afraid", Peskov said. "We cannot afford to lose an already weakened partner in a region where Russia is losing more and more influence" he proceeded.

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                                Watching the divide in republican circles on Iran has been a great way to see who is under Kremlin control. Most are who we already knew: Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson, Rand Paul, etc.

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                                Anti-war people being consistent in their anti-war stance somehow means they're Putin's puppets.

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                                  Anti-war people being consistent in their anti-war stance somehow means they're Putin's puppets.

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                                  Sounds like something one of Putin's puppets would say.

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                                    Yeah real red blooded Americans want world war III

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                                    Real Americans yell TACO at trump until he bombs Iran.

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                                      Anti-war people being consistent in their anti-war stance somehow means they're Putin's puppets.

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                                      Oh, so Tulsi Gabbard definitely 100% publicly denounced Russia's unprecedented act of aggression and imperial invasion of Ukraine, right...?

                                      ... Right... ?

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                                        As long as they control the government, military, police and other stuff putin and his regime are russia. If russians don't like that they can make their own Maidan.

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                                        That abstraction layer is correct, I think.

                                        The thing with abstraction layers is: they are made to simplify a context. This makes it easier to understand and to see correlations and processes. It also hides details of the picture.

                                        As far as I know there are people in Russia who work for their own goals. Those bridges don't collapse themselves and it takes someone to derail a train or sabotage a helicopter or provide intelligence about movements.

                                        Yes. Most people just eat the propaganda or at least don't act up to evade repression (if they would care enough to do so otherwise). That's normal human behavior, it's no Russian specialty. Can you think of a current critical situation which would need immediate wide-spread attention, but people tend to ignore it?

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                                          “Very negatively” as opposed to what? Mild negativity?

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