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Russia says it will react “very negatively” if Ali Khamenei is killed

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  • lennybird@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

    Watching the divide in republican circles on Iran has been a great way to see who is under Kremlin control. Most are who we already knew: Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson, Rand Paul, etc.

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    Anti-war people being consistent in their anti-war stance somehow means they're Putin's puppets.

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      Anti-war people being consistent in their anti-war stance somehow means they're Putin's puppets.

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      Sounds like something one of Putin's puppets would say.

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        Yeah real red blooded Americans want world war III

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        Real Americans yell TACO at trump until he bombs Iran.

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          Anti-war people being consistent in their anti-war stance somehow means they're Putin's puppets.

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          Oh, so Tulsi Gabbard definitely 100% publicly denounced Russia's unprecedented act of aggression and imperial invasion of Ukraine, right...?

          ... Right... ?

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            As long as they control the government, military, police and other stuff putin and his regime are russia. If russians don't like that they can make their own Maidan.

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            That abstraction layer is correct, I think.

            The thing with abstraction layers is: they are made to simplify a context. This makes it easier to understand and to see correlations and processes. It also hides details of the picture.

            As far as I know there are people in Russia who work for their own goals. Those bridges don't collapse themselves and it takes someone to derail a train or sabotage a helicopter or provide intelligence about movements.

            Yes. Most people just eat the propaganda or at least don't act up to evade repression (if they would care enough to do so otherwise). That's normal human behavior, it's no Russian specialty. Can you think of a current critical situation which would need immediate wide-spread attention, but people tend to ignore it?

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              “Very negatively” as opposed to what? Mild negativity?

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              • lennybird@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                Oh, so Tulsi Gabbard definitely 100% publicly denounced Russia's unprecedented act of aggression and imperial invasion of Ukraine, right...?

                ... Right... ?

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                Do not conflate being against the war with Iran as being a Putin puppet.

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                • lennybird@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                  Watching the divide in republican circles on Iran has been a great way to see who is under Kremlin control. Most are who we already knew: Tulsi Gabbard, Tucker Carlson, Rand Paul, etc.

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                  This is just "the anti Vietnam War protestors are secretly working for the soviets" for the modern era. There were just as many conspiracies that left liberals were secretly agents of Moscow in the 60s.

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                    trump really forgot the only reason he has a razor thin congressional majority, is Russia blackmailing Congress members into supporting him

                    Putin can make them all stop supporting trump just as easily.

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                    Mr Putin come get your puppet under control

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                      This is just "the anti Vietnam War protestors are secretly working for the soviets" for the modern era. There were just as many conspiracies that left liberals were secretly agents of Moscow in the 60s.

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                      Some right wing influencers have already been shown to take Kremlin money

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                        Do not conflate being against the war with Iran as being a Putin puppet.

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                        To the contrary, I am conflating the fact that the alleged "anti-war" person (your words) suddenly wasn't "anti-war" when Russia invaded Ukraine as being a Putin puppet; that, and the fact that US intelligence reports found that Russia was promoting Tulsi as the Democratic primaries candidate in 2020, among other things.

                        Bystanders take note how this individual is trying really hard to separate Tulsi Gabbard from the Kremlin. Like, really hard. Deflections and all.

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                          “Very negatively” as opposed to what? Mild negativity?

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                          A stern talking down to?

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                            Some right wing influencers have already been shown to take Kremlin money

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                            Yeah, and there were plenty of left journalists on the payroll of Moscow in the 60s. They tended to cover the civil rights movement and anti-war movement very positively, does that mean the leaders of those movements were also secretly agents of the communists?

                            Has there been any proof that the people OP mentioned have any connection to putin? Don't get me wrong there all horrible people, but it's not because there "Russian assets" and if they're gonna go against this God awful war then good on them.

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                              You have to think at this point the White House is just like two armed camps. The people that work for Putin and the people who work for Netanyahu. Few years ago I'd say they were sharing an uneasy truce, maybe even a burgeoning friendship, but now? God I hope they tear themselves apart.

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                                You have to think at this point the White House is just like two armed camps. The people that work for Putin and the people who work for Netanyahu. Few years ago I'd say they were sharing an uneasy truce, maybe even a burgeoning friendship, but now? God I hope they tear themselves apart.

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                                Don't forget the 3rd camp of military industrial complexists, just in it to make money bombing whoever wherever

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                                  Yeah, and there were plenty of left journalists on the payroll of Moscow in the 60s. They tended to cover the civil rights movement and anti-war movement very positively, does that mean the leaders of those movements were also secretly agents of the communists?

                                  Has there been any proof that the people OP mentioned have any connection to putin? Don't get me wrong there all horrible people, but it's not because there "Russian assets" and if they're gonna go against this God awful war then good on them.

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                                  I mean, many of those leaders were communists... But not agents of the Soviets, which was a convenient accusation tho

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                                    “Very negatively” as opposed to what? Mild negativity?

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                                    Saber rattling, very menacingly.

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                                    • lennybird@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                                      To the contrary, I am conflating the fact that the alleged "anti-war" person (your words) suddenly wasn't "anti-war" when Russia invaded Ukraine as being a Putin puppet; that, and the fact that US intelligence reports found that Russia was promoting Tulsi as the Democratic primaries candidate in 2020, among other things.

                                      Bystanders take note how this individual is trying really hard to separate Tulsi Gabbard from the Kremlin. Like, really hard. Deflections and all.

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                                      I don't give a fuck about those people. What I give a fuck about is this:

                                      Watching the divide in republican circles on Iran has been a great way to see who is under Kremlin control.

                                      Is conflating being against the war with Iran with being Putin's puppet and is drumming support for the war. Stop supporting Trump's war.

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                                        Putin has already requested that Chuck Schumer write a strongly worded letter on his behalf.

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                                          Don't forget the 3rd camp of military industrial complexists, just in it to make money bombing whoever wherever

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                                          Pretty sure that's the Netanyahu camp.

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