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  • X [email protected]

    It's really a more general problem with Western culture around engineering. Restriction maximizing engineering makes the world shitty. Engineers think they have an obligation to make any product do the absolute minimum that stat still meet spec. That is not to reduce cost or design difficulty by coming in just at spec, but to actively try to make things as shitty as possible using significant effort to do so just so the thing can do only the minimum thing that can be said to do the thing at all. It actually takes effort to make this happen.

    The end result really sucks. Because this is so costly and everything is layered maximal minimalism this means that if you want to scale anything up at all the cost to do so is insane if western engineers are involved. This is a significant reason why China gets the manufacturing work and western engineers don't. They are yes men. Yes we can build that. And they have a network of yes men behind them that can help them execute on anything. And because they don't waste time engineering restriction every product and sub-product is adaptable.

    But the western engineer only knows one mode of thinking. "We need to isolate the regimes that this product may operate in." Sometimes that's true but it shouldn't be everything we think about.

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    As a Western engineer, it's not engineering, it's management culture you have a problem with. Most engineers I meet want to make their product the best they can, but management actively cracks down on and sabotages these efforts for various reasons, none of them having to do with engineers.

    They think that making something worse always takes less time and effort, so if you made something that is more than the bare minimum, they think you've wasted their budget.

    Also, they don't care about making a good product, they care about their careers, so if someone else had a good idea, they are incentivised to sabotage it because it either draws time and attention away from the things that would get them promoted. If you think that your new thing could make their work easier as well, and your interests are aligned, see my previous point.

    Finally, with customer-facing products, there is also the fact that your better solution might make some bullshit monetisation strategy obsolete.

    We're alienated as fuck from our work, don't point at us mate.

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    • dvlsg@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

      I returned my Samsung phone over that button. Haven't touched their shit since.

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      I installed e/OS when Google made the button to turn my phone off give me an AI prompt.

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      • N [email protected]

        https://infosec.exchange/@ryanc/114901140203859448

        i recomend this ancient talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

        https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

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        I just bought this expensive ass phone too so I'm kinda stuck with this shit I can't afford to replace it so soon. But yeah, my next phone is probably going to be as privacy oriented as is feasible.

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          You can. They did an update to the S8 (and others, I assume) that let you remap it. I used some app before that, something from the Google Play Store but it's been way too long to remember the name. Nowadays there isn't a Bixby button anymore for us to remap. They tried to take over the power button with AI now, but thankfully you can remap this back to power as well.

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          Oh you reminded me that I also have the Assistant on long press power button, but I don't use it almost at all, so...

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            I routinely get a Samsung notification telling me to agree to some new agreement thing. I swipe it away. It just reappears in 48 hours or so. I swipe it away. We've danced this dance for years.

            I don't know what it's for, I don't care, and things are just fine as is. There's nothing it it for me so, no.

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            I legit got this notification on my phone while reading this comment. I do the same and will continue to do the same.

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              Yup. I usually search fedora when I'm looking stuff up. Usually, that helps but only so much.

              I was installing mullvad. I didn't see it listed in any store repo I had so I used cli. It's not hard to do, but it was annoying getting the syntax correct because the instructions were for fedora but they didn't completely translate to bazzite. Probably because bazzite is half locked down or something.

              Games causing me issues were Elden Ring, Resident evil 4 Remake, and Black Mesa (I thought this would work right out the box, but it didn't). They would usually launch then just close immediately. Eventually, I got the right Proton version that seems to work, but then I had issues downloading my cloud saves.

              I see a lot of people are still giving me the "it just works out the box" talk, so idk. Maybe I shouldn't have reformatted my ntfs drive and just got a new one, but I didn't want to give up a 1tb ssd for no reason.

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              Eeeeh. I'm glad it's working out of the box for all those people then. But that doesn't really help you out.

              Unfortunately I don't own any of these games so I can't test it to see if I could help out. Bizarre that you're running into issues considering the games I checked are steam deck verified. Black Mesa people mention using the proton rather than the native ( Linux ) version.

              If mullvad is wireguard based you can always import the wireguard config in your network manager and connect that way. It's what I did for my VPN. Downside is that you won't be able to use any features the app would offer you ( besides the VPN connection ).

              Sorry I can't be of more help. 😞

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                https://infosec.exchange/@ryanc/114901140203859448

                i recomend this ancient talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

                https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

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                "If we let you control your phones you'll just mess them up!"

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                • S [email protected]

                  That is a way to steal it(I ain’t no snitch, though) but it doesn’t actually refute my point.

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                  not exactly, see here for an example:

                  https://feddit.org/comment/7945682

                  you're not stealing anything using the script

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                    "If we let you control your phones you'll just mess them up!"

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                    Which is our right. I paid for the phone. Google, Samsung, and Apple aren’t fucking paying me.

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                      If i wanted root i wouldnt be using GOS, but its been years since root was needed for much other than than debloating devices without custom roms. There are custom roms that have root if its really what you want.

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                      Me? Who is talking about me?

                      Granted I used and I am still using a phone that is rooted next to my GOS phone. Rooting makes it easier to backup app data, cleanup the device, customize battery charge settings, patch apps, edit app memory, and, debloat, I guess, but I never have done that. I just wasn't assuming that the person rooting their android did it just to debloat, they might have more/other use-cases. But it is their device, they should have the freedom to do with it, whatever they want in all cases. How much security and against which kind of attacks and which attacker one might want to defend more or less and to what cost of personal freedom is a personal question, that cannot (and should not) be answered by some outside entity for an individum, if breaches only affect them.

                      Was it IRobot where the intelligence decided that in order to keep every human save, they are all placed under house arrest? Security has its cost, that shouldn't be ignored.

                      If someone wants root access, the reason doesn't matter, it is their device, they should get it. Asking that is like asking why someone want to leave their house, and were they want to go before letting them or trying to convince them that they don't actually need to leave because it isn't save for them and that they should be happy with what they have.

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                        That is the first "feature" I turn off when setting up any Android. Power off is the panic button, you don't just give that to AI.

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                          Which is our right. I paid for the phone. Google, Samsung, and Apple aren’t fucking paying me.

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                          Which is our right. I paid for the phone. Google, Samsung, and Apple aren’t fucking paying me.

                          There, I fixed it. It's time for a new FOSS phone OS to take over. GrapheneOS looks nice, but it only runs on select Google pixel devices. Maybe if phone manufacturers were forced to let the user chose their OS?

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                            https://infosec.exchange/@ryanc/114901140203859448

                            i recomend this ancient talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

                            https://redirect.invidious.io/watch?v=HUEvRyemKSg

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                            How long ago was this post? I also received OS update on my android just yesterday.

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                              I have a Samsung sadly

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                              Maybe you are lucky and have a model compatible with lineage

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                                How long ago was this post? I also received OS update on my android just yesterday.

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                                3h ago

                                /s

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                                  We really do need more viable open phone options. We are well past the point in hardware capability that we could have a linux phone that turns into a desktop when you plug it into a docking station. USB-c connections handle everything for my work laptop.

                                  I have reverted back to using my Linux PC for most screwing around online. My phone, for the technological wonder that it is, is for communicating with family, listening to music, GPSing, and then occasionally computer stuff, looking things up, etc.

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                                  I can't wait until a PinePhone comes out that I actually want.

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                                    As a Western engineer, it's not engineering, it's management culture you have a problem with. Most engineers I meet want to make their product the best they can, but management actively cracks down on and sabotages these efforts for various reasons, none of them having to do with engineers.

                                    They think that making something worse always takes less time and effort, so if you made something that is more than the bare minimum, they think you've wasted their budget.

                                    Also, they don't care about making a good product, they care about their careers, so if someone else had a good idea, they are incentivised to sabotage it because it either draws time and attention away from the things that would get them promoted. If you think that your new thing could make their work easier as well, and your interests are aligned, see my previous point.

                                    Finally, with customer-facing products, there is also the fact that your better solution might make some bullshit monetisation strategy obsolete.

                                    We're alienated as fuck from our work, don't point at us mate.

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                                    i think people are accountable for the systems they participate in, as involved or not as you actually feel.

                                    people are valid in being upset with doctors, engineers, etc. for systemic things. i certainly know i get pissed with the doctor here in the US sometimes. if the whole system you work in is rotten people are gonna get mad about your hand in it, as rational or not as it is, and i don’t think there’s anything wrong or unreasonable about that tbh.

                                    i don’t feel the need to abscond my responsibility in my work by pointing to others that may be involved… it’s how we end up here and now where no one can ever be held accountable for anything.

                                    don’t get me wrong, you’re right that it’s probably more a managerial problem than not. management is just, like it or not, at least in the West; an intrinsic part of our engineering and design process, and thus we are accountable for the effects it has on our product.

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                                      Which is our right. I paid for the phone. Google, Samsung, and Apple aren’t fucking paying me.

                                      There, I fixed it. It's time for a new FOSS phone OS to take over. GrapheneOS looks nice, but it only runs on select Google pixel devices. Maybe if phone manufacturers were forced to let the user chose their OS?

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                                      I would love to get GrapheneOS or some other similar OS but the lack of mobile tap-to-pay support just kills the idea for me.

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                                        I would love to get GrapheneOS or some other similar OS but the lack of mobile tap-to-pay support just kills the idea for me.

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                                        I was looking at that too and came to the same conclusion. I should probably migrate off apple at some point but Android in its current state is not viable for me.

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                                          Here is my list of what any device really should have:

                                          • Make me able to use my device as I want to.

                                          If the Operating System don't agree - there MUST be a way to install alternative OS with a SINGLE BUTTON CLICK.

                                          Oh, god. Think of what kind of world that would open up with this simple rule. The device could be a smartphone, Windows machine, termostat, or a dishwasher. Anything would never be obsolete anymore and all users can be happy - a machine obeying the user. Wonderful.
                                          Please EU fix this!

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                                          What kinda magic fantasyland one button click smartphone dishwasher...

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