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    Hamas shouldn't drop arms till israel end occupation

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      Hamas shouldn't drop arms till israel end occupation

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      Lets be real. In order for a Palestinian state to be viable in the face of Israels decades long occupation and annexation, multiple cases of ethnic cleansing as well as the current genocide, means that the Palestinian state must be militarily equally strong or superior to any Israeli state.

      In order to keep the region at peace, this means Israel needs to be demilitarized severely, most importantly the nuclear weapons and any possible chemical and biological weapon program must be fully dismantled. The Israeli Navy should be abolished in favor of a lightly armed coast guard and the air force needs to be limited to a few interceptors.

      Meanwhile Palestine needs a lot of modern anti-air, anti-ship, anti-missile, counter-artillery systems and so on.

      There should also be an intervention force stationed nearby that immediately bombs Israeli production sites, ports and the like if there is any indication that Israel is attempting to violate the limits to their military.

      We have seen what came out of Germany after they violated the armament limits set forth after the first world war. Those who have shown genocidal mania cannot be trusted with any heavy arms.

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        Lets be real. In order for a Palestinian state to be viable in the face of Israels decades long occupation and annexation, multiple cases of ethnic cleansing as well as the current genocide, means that the Palestinian state must be militarily equally strong or superior to any Israeli state.

        In order to keep the region at peace, this means Israel needs to be demilitarized severely, most importantly the nuclear weapons and any possible chemical and biological weapon program must be fully dismantled. The Israeli Navy should be abolished in favor of a lightly armed coast guard and the air force needs to be limited to a few interceptors.

        Meanwhile Palestine needs a lot of modern anti-air, anti-ship, anti-missile, counter-artillery systems and so on.

        There should also be an intervention force stationed nearby that immediately bombs Israeli production sites, ports and the like if there is any indication that Israel is attempting to violate the limits to their military.

        We have seen what came out of Germany after they violated the armament limits set forth after the first world war. Those who have shown genocidal mania cannot be trusted with any heavy arms.

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        Alternatively, after demilitarizing Israel, UN/EU peacekeeping forces could be stationed in Palestine to protect the population there.

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          Alternatively, after demilitarizing Israel, UN/EU peacekeeping forces could be stationed in Palestine to protect the population there.

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          And be shooting settlers and IDF soldiers who continue to rampage as it will happen.

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            Lets be real. In order for a Palestinian state to be viable in the face of Israels decades long occupation and annexation, multiple cases of ethnic cleansing as well as the current genocide, means that the Palestinian state must be militarily equally strong or superior to any Israeli state.

            In order to keep the region at peace, this means Israel needs to be demilitarized severely, most importantly the nuclear weapons and any possible chemical and biological weapon program must be fully dismantled. The Israeli Navy should be abolished in favor of a lightly armed coast guard and the air force needs to be limited to a few interceptors.

            Meanwhile Palestine needs a lot of modern anti-air, anti-ship, anti-missile, counter-artillery systems and so on.

            There should also be an intervention force stationed nearby that immediately bombs Israeli production sites, ports and the like if there is any indication that Israel is attempting to violate the limits to their military.

            We have seen what came out of Germany after they violated the armament limits set forth after the first world war. Those who have shown genocidal mania cannot be trusted with any heavy arms.

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            But, as we also learned from interwar period Germany, it's impossible to maintain this sort of zeal towards preventative action for long. Demilitarization and foreign peacekeeping are nothing more than stopgaps to make time for the sort of denazification that needs to happen in Israel.

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              But, as we also learned from interwar period Germany, it's impossible to maintain this sort of zeal towards preventative action for long. Demilitarization and foreign peacekeeping are nothing more than stopgaps to make time for the sort of denazification that needs to happen in Israel.

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              What we also saw in the interwar period was an unwillingness to act, despite Germany blatantly violating the limitations, while the Nazi ideology was anything but shy to tell its planned world order.

              I'd say that a 21st century Israel is also much easier to control for violations than a 20st century Germany, so immediately preventing violations to the armament size should be possible.

              I agree with you that it can only remain a temporary measure, until a fundamental shift to a society that respects human and international rights has occurred.

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                And be shooting settlers and IDF soldiers who continue to rampage as it will happen.

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                Well, a peacekeeping force has to keep the peace. If necessary, with violence.

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