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Iran's Parliament Votes to Close Strait of Hormuz After US Attacks

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  • venusaur@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

    Could make buyers look for other sources if they only block US oil.

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    It's nearly impossible to block any given countries oil. Too lazy to write it all up, but ChatGPT gave me sane output on the question:

    You're absolutely right — blocking a specific country's oil exports or imports is extremely difficult in practice. There are several reasons for this:

    1. Global Oil Market is Highly Fungible

    Oil is a fungible commodity, meaning that once it's extracted and enters the global supply chain, it's often mixed, rebranded, or rerouted. That makes it very hard to trace its exact origin once it enters international trade.

    1. Third-Party Countries & Middlemen

    Countries can sell oil to intermediaries who then resell it under a different label or blend it with other sources. For example, sanctioned oil from Iran, Venezuela, or Russia has been known to enter markets through such indirect routes.

    1. Shipping and Flagging Loopholes

    Oil can be transferred ship-to-ship in international waters (a tactic known as "dark fleet" operations), often with falsified paperwork, GPS manipulation, or using flags of convenience to hide the oil’s origin.
    4. Global Demand

    Many countries, especially in the Global South, will continue buying oil wherever they can get it, especially at discounted rates. This demand gives sanctioned countries alternative markets.

    1. Limited Enforcement Capacity

    International bodies like the UN or even the U.S. and EU can impose sanctions, but enforcement — especially on the high seas — is expensive, politically sensitive, and technically challenging.

    1. Economic Blowback

    Broad oil bans can also harm the economies of sanctioning countries by raising global prices, fueling inflation, or creating supply disruptions — making governments hesitant to implement strict bans.

    Bottom line: Even with sanctions or embargoes, oil tends to find a way into the global market. Cutting off a specific country’s oil completely would require not only international political unity but also technological and logistical enforcement capabilities that currently don’t exist at the necessary scale.

    EDIT: Y'all childish. "He used AI! FAKE!" There's not a single falsehood in all that and it's a complete explanation. "NO!"

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      I was curious, and this is what I found.

      As of January 2024, there were 132 operating oil refineries in the United States with an atmospheric crude oil distillation capacity of 18,374,628 barrels per calendar day according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA).[94]

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      And we use a little over 20.

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      • beardedblaze@lemmy.worldB [email protected]

        I really hope they do close it. Time for FAFO.

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        The world's militaries will turn Tehran into rubble before they allow Iran to crash the global economy. The planet runs on oil. You don't have to like it, but you better believe it.

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        • venusaur@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

          Could make buyers look for other sources if they only block US oil.

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          Who, out of the countries that use the gulf of Hormuz, would be buying US oil?

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            Why can't it be refined here?

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            Something about heavy and light crude oil, and some head scratching decisions that involve shipping things around the world

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            • F [email protected]

              Following U.S. strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities on Saturday, the Iranian Parliament has voted in support of closing the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world's most critical oil transit chokepoints, according to media reports.

              Any final decision on retaliation, however, will rest with the country's Supreme National Security Council and le

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              Around 20 percent of global oil trade passes through the Strait. Some experts have said that if Iran were to cut off access to the Strait, it could spike oil prices by 30 to 50 percent immediately, with gas prices likewise rising by as much as $5 per gallon.

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              #94

              You’re move “tactician” Trump.

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              • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

                Billionaires don't want to stick their greasy fingers in culture though.

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                If that were true, Disney and a number of other large companies would not exist.

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                • B [email protected]

                  even if you have an electric vehicle, the stuff you rely on probably uses oil and gas for production, transportation, whatever.

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                  In the US, specifically, higher oil prices feed into higher prices for the fertilizer used in raising corn, which in turn feeds into higher corn prices, which then feeds into almost all food because in the US corn is used directly or indirectly in food to truly insane levels (for example, cattle is fed corn even though it's not natural and causes health problems hence the overused of antibiotics for cattle in the US and sugar is mainly chemically processed corn).

                  In other countries it's a bit easier to isolate oneself from the indirect effects of oil price rises if you don't drive ICE vehicles and eat locally grown food because this pathway from "oil" to "almost all food" is either not present or far weaker.

                  Mind you, I agreed that you can never isolate yourself totally from it unless you're some kind of hermit living in your own cave disconnected from everything else and growing your own food using 100% natural agriculture.

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                    I'm betting it's not happening. The collective wrath of a dozen militaries would drop on their head.

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                    The reaction of the rest of Europe to Trump's attack would lead Iran to expect that the usual suspects in Europe would attack Iran either way, same as they did back when America invaded "WMD" Iraq.

                    Certainly were I am (Portugal, which by the way also sent troops to Iraq) there are already people from America and Israel-aligned far-right think-tanks being invited to news segments on public TV about the American attack, where they're complimenting Trump on his action, calling it a "massive victory to Netanyahu" and scaremongering against Iran with exactly the same kind of "arguments" as were used for Iraq (Iran has WMDs, Iran is developing missiles which can reach European cities and so on), so the Manufacturing Consensus machinery is already running.

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                      Following U.S. strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities on Saturday, the Iranian Parliament has voted in support of closing the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world's most critical oil transit chokepoints, according to media reports.

                      Any final decision on retaliation, however, will rest with the country's Supreme National Security Council and le

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                      Around 20 percent of global oil trade passes through the Strait. Some experts have said that if Iran were to cut off access to the Strait, it could spike oil prices by 30 to 50 percent immediately, with gas prices likewise rising by as much as $5 per gallon.

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                      Man would I love a montage of hidden camera footage of cousin-fucking Trump supporter's faces as they look at the skyrocketing gas prices when they go to the pump.

                      Get your Trump "I did that" stickers ready.

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                      • blackmist@feddit.ukB [email protected]

                        Who, out of the countries that use the gulf of Hormuz, would be buying US oil?

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                        I’m confused. What are you trying to say?

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                        • zomg@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

                          Got an EV, I'll be okay. Sorry republicans, but surely you were expecting this, right? Enjoy the gas prices.

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                          Heh, probably the only piece of good news the cybertruck owners will ever get.

                          Not saying you own one of those or anything, but thinking it must be the first positive they've seen in ages.

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                            Following U.S. strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities on Saturday, the Iranian Parliament has voted in support of closing the Strait of Hormuz, one of the world's most critical oil transit chokepoints, according to media reports.

                            Any final decision on retaliation, however, will rest with the country's Supreme National Security Council and le

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                            Around 20 percent of global oil trade passes through the Strait. Some experts have said that if Iran were to cut off access to the Strait, it could spike oil prices by 30 to 50 percent immediately, with gas prices likewise rising by as much as $5 per gallon.

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                            Iran has the right to defend itself.

                            Oil going up in price won't be necessarily a bad thing, oil is underpriced relative to historical highs.

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                            • R [email protected]

                              Heh, probably the only piece of good news the cybertruck owners will ever get.

                              Not saying you own one of those or anything, but thinking it must be the first positive they've seen in ages.

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                              I don't know, tow trucks still use gas, so they may still suffer some knock on effects.

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                                I don't know, tow trucks still use gas, so they may still suffer some knock on effects.

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                                Yeah, there's no outweighing the downsides. Hell if you just look at the depreciation, they'll never make the loss back and fuel even if they had no problems.

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                                • zomg@lemmy.worldZ [email protected]

                                  Got an EV, I'll be okay. Sorry republicans, but surely you were expecting this, right? Enjoy the gas prices.

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                                  Sorry, all your electricity is needed for AI

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                                  • R [email protected]

                                    Iran has the right to defend itself.

                                    Oil going up in price won't be necessarily a bad thing, oil is underpriced relative to historical highs.

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                                    Trump wants more local oil production, but the price doesn't warrant it, this is how they do it.

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                                    • darkfuture@lemmy.worldD [email protected]

                                      Man would I love a montage of hidden camera footage of cousin-fucking Trump supporter's faces as they look at the skyrocketing gas prices when they go to the pump.

                                      Get your Trump "I did that" stickers ready.

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                                      I don't think they'll recognize a price difference unless Fox news tells them about it.

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                                      • venusaur@lemmy.worldV [email protected]

                                        Who makes a brand of steaks and sells them via Sharper Image???

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                                        He didn't make anything, some meat company with the shittiest marketing division ever thought it would sell with absolutely no market research. He would have put his name on Epstein-branded underwear if he thought they'd get him slightly out of debt.

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                                        • R [email protected]

                                          He didn't make anything, some meat company with the shittiest marketing division ever thought it would sell with absolutely no market research. He would have put his name on Epstein-branded underwear if he thought they'd get him slightly out of debt.

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                                          Very true. Now he's out of debt. Its time someone asked him to pay for all the various things he didn't pay for during both campaigns.

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