Professor's got it right
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If u become a soldier do ur job leave ur personal crap at the door or get a new job. U just justified the actions of the Nazis "I'm just following orders".
You do see how your example is very different, right? Right?
If a soldier doesn't want to commit atrocities, they have a choice. Dishonorable discharge? Better than murder.
If a doctor doesn't want to do certain operations, they have a choice. Get a new profession.
There's always choice.
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your ultimatum was impossible to answer and absurd, so no.
your ultimatum was impossible to answer
Yes that's the point. U cannot hold any 2 beliefs without running into at least one contradiction. Do u compromise on one belief or do u continue living pracricing literal doublethink.
and absurd
All hypotheticals are, that's why they are a hypothetical
, so no.
I guess u have chosen doublethink. I wouldn't want to be on the side of the absolute authoritarian big brother but that's just me I guess.
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your ultimatum was impossible to answer
Yes that's the point. U cannot hold any 2 beliefs without running into at least one contradiction. Do u compromise on one belief or do u continue living pracricing literal doublethink.
and absurd
All hypotheticals are, that's why they are a hypothetical
, so no.
I guess u have chosen doublethink. I wouldn't want to be on the side of the absolute authoritarian big brother but that's just me I guess.
no no. the impossible part is that he’s already dead. you cannot be presented with your example.
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You do see how your example is very different, right? Right?
If a soldier doesn't want to commit atrocities, they have a choice. Dishonorable discharge? Better than murder.
If a doctor doesn't want to do certain operations, they have a choice. Get a new profession.
There's always choice.
My argument is that you should have said choice. I simply think you should be allowed to make said choice without retribution. If completely leaving the profession is the only other option then all soldiers will be war criminals and all doctors will be without personal morality.
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no no. the impossible part is that he’s already dead. you cannot be presented with your example.
That's why its a hypothetical.
One if the most amazing powers of the human brain is the ability to displace ourselves in time and space and imagine what we would do in such a situation.
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That's why its a hypothetical.
One if the most amazing powers of the human brain is the ability to displace ourselves in time and space and imagine what we would do in such a situation.
well my point and standing is not hypothetical. try again.
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This would never fly in today's era. Nor should it.
But about two decades ago I dated a gastroenterologist... I think she had around 13 years of schooling.
Anyways, her first day of med school, they made the entire class watch gay porn. Like vicious, graphic, excessively graphic gay porn.
With of course the professor saying if this makes you uncomfortable, you'd best find a new track. Because you ain't going to make it, this is going to be your life: assholes, boils, pus, cancer, shit, piss, if you're going to be a gastroenterologist you're going to have your head up people's asses your whole career....
Etc
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This would never fly in today's era. Nor should it.
But about two decades ago I dated a gastroenterologist... I think she had around 13 years of schooling.
Anyways, her first day of med school, they made the entire class watch gay porn. Like vicious, graphic, excessively graphic gay porn.
With of course the professor saying if this makes you uncomfortable, you'd best find a new track. Because you ain't going to make it, this is going to be your life: assholes, boils, pus, cancer, shit, piss, if you're going to be a gastroenterologist you're going to have your head up people's asses your whole career....
Etc
And then there were those who got a rock-hard boner and wondered for a completely different reason if this career was for them.
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well my point and standing is not hypothetical. try again.
"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain
I give up I have been thoroughly beaten by experience
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"Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." - Mark Twain
I give up I have been thoroughly beaten by experience
“Don’t cut yourself on all that edge, bro.” - Abe Lincoln
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And then there were those who got a rock-hard boner and wondered for a completely different reason if this career was for them.
Lol
Apparently this was not boner porn nor wap porn.
By the retelling, its was nailing balls to a step stool kind of porn.
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Lol
Apparently this was not boner porn nor wap porn.
By the retelling, its was nailing balls to a step stool kind of porn.
Ah, I remember that one. 96 was a crazy year!
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Doctors and nurses see and take care of a lot of disgusting people, or people in disgusting states in all walks of the life. Them being LGBT should be the last hill for them to die on. Only shows how sheltered they have lived.
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Prior to the Nuremberg trials individual responsibility for disobeying unlawful orders was an implicit judgement and not explicitly stated.
And if we look at examples of people using the defence of I was disobeying orders due to them being in violation of international law they got arrested and locked up for the rest of their life (see David McBride).
It's good to know that we have advanced as a society. We're talking about now, not 80 years ago.
You also seem to be under the impression that making a "correct" choice would be without consequences. It would be nice if the moral or legal choice always had positive consequences for the chooser, but that's not always the case. That doesn't chance the morality or legality of the choice. Yes, soldiers have been persecuted for disobeying an illegal order; either legally or socially; but that doesn't change their duty.
(Also, David McBride was arrested for releasing confidential documents, something that is very much illegal. We can debate the morality, but that's not relevant here because it's not remotely related to a soldier refusing to follow illegal orders.)
A soldier following an illegal order may lead to people dying unnecessarily, so they are duty bound to not follow illegal orders. A doctor choosing to not treat patients because they don't like something about them may lead to people dying unnecessarily, so they are duty bound to treat all patients.
A doctor's agency does not supersede another's right to live. A doctor doesn't get to choose who lives or dies; and yes, even requiring that the doctor refer the patient to a different doctor would result in people dying.
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In many countries it's illegal to refuse treatment so you would literally have to find a new career
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I swapped the word for one profession with the word of another. In ancient Greek the word technē often used in philosophical discussion such as this was used for both interchangeably.
Why is it utterly bogus and broken. Ur opinion does not negate mine lest u have an argument to back your claim.
If you can find no moral distinction between being contractually obliged to help someone get well and being contractually obliged to kill people, then I think that not just your logic is broken, but your morals and your humanity. You equated opposites.
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In many countries it's illegal to refuse treatment so you would literally have to find a new career
But of course in the Christian-sharia-law state of Tennessee, doctors can refuse patients if they don’t fit their values or whatever. A woman was refused prenatal care because she wasn’t married.
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"Ah, but they choose to act on it! You see, my old preacher struggled with gay thoughts all the time because of Satan. He told us so nearly every Sunday. But did he act on them? No! He was straight, just as god intended.
So those people having gay thoughts are CHOOSING to be gay when they could pray and get a wife and have children like the lord said."
-Some dipshit I know
As I said to my parents when they said something similar:
Not everyone is a 0 or 6 on the Kinsey scale. Plenty of people have some amount of choice. But not everyone is a 3, either. Most people have a preference. And some people are a 0 or 6. Just because one person with “gay temptations” successfully lived as a heterosexual doesn’t mean everyone can. The world is more complicated than that.
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And then there were those who got a rock-hard boner and wondered for a completely different reason if this career was for them.
Well, there's always
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The oath is a promise, not a law. People break promises all the time.
Yes, but it's an ethical promise, so they are saying healthcare professionals have shady ethics.
