Bad UX is keeping the majority of people away from Lemmy
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We need more users for those small spaces to grow, one of the reasons I still use Reddit alongside Lemmy is that there is no 'South African' community on here, there is a very alive and fun South African community on reddit, that alone will make me keep using Reddit.
I'm sure that's true for many other niche communities, for those to take hold in Lemmy we need numbers.
Absolutely! Growth is important and not every possible community is mirrored on the fediverse. But if anything this is all the more reason for interpersonal connections to drive new user growth. That will naturally help filter users to instances they align with. I’m considering going so far as to host an instance specifically for my geographical area to really lean into the idea of a “local” internet.
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I think this is a wrong mindset, you are supposed to be posting for the community, for the members of that community, not to be seen and praised through all the instances because that's how we got to the problem of getting the same post repeated over and over by the same person/script in all.
Of course that's my old man way of thinking, things should be posted once and let it federate, if it didn't reach an instance someone else might post it there, no need to hold all the glory, karma is just a number on lemmy anyway.
Unless they are a seller, then I'd see a reason for them to be creating spam.For that side of reddit, you're right.
But for the uniquely useful side of reddit, federation won't help. If I post a question like "how do I get this obscure game to run well on this obscure Linux distro?", nobody is going to repost that for me, and if I don't maximize the amount of eyeballs on it, it's unlikely I'll get an answer. My best choice is to post it on reddit, either in /r/linux_gaming or in the specific game's subreddit.
I assume that most users who post anything at all on reddit do it to ask questions like that.
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Yea getting into Lemmy is confusing. I only use sync because it's easier, I have no idea how to even access it on desktop. It definitely needs some QoL improvements before I can really start recommending it to people
To access it on desktop, just open the browser and type your server's URL (in your case, lemmy.world)
I guess we have to roll back from "apps for everything", or else many people might genuinely not know how to access their instance.
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Really? You never ran into the endless "...furthermore, .ml must be defederated" posts?
Same vibe as Cato in the Roman Senate: ml delenda est
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Unless we fix the UX problems in Lemmy, a Bluesky-like alternative of reddit is going to pop up, and overtake Lemmy, like what happened with Mastadon
Serious question here: what is the bad ux experience of lemmy compared to reddit? (except choosing an instance in the beginning, I get that this might turn off a lot of people)
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Good, Lemmy doesn't need morons like these
Lemmy desperately needs to get rid of toxicity of this kind.
It has become a more hostile place, and this negatively affects the experience for everyone, including the OGs.
And yes, if you want to have more lively conversations, you need more people. If you need more people, you should stop calling them morons and help them figure it out in baby steps. Don't make it harder than it already is.
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
Have tell new users just sign up on your instance. Make it less confusing by sending them to a specific website and not just telling them about the software.
I swear to God, there are so many tech people here that overthink it because they know details that the average user would not give a single fuck about.
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Lemmy desperately needs to get rid of toxicity of this kind.
It has become a more hostile place, and this negatively affects the experience for everyone, including the OGs.
And yes, if you want to have more lively conversations, you need more people. If you need more people, you should stop calling them morons and help them figure it out in baby steps. Don't make it harder than it already is.
I don't want to have conversations with children.
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Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
"Wah wah it's so hard to pick a server!"
JUST LIKE EMAIL YOU NITWIT!
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My point is you have to pick SOME server to host your account. You are right that most communities are accessible from most servers, but that is where it becomes confusing for someone who just wants to look at memes for a specific fan base.
You can experience each server before making an account, you just can't post or subscribe. If someone is afraid of creating am account on an instance they may not like (which if I'm being honest is a slightly strange worry, as it costs nothing to sign up, and they can delete the account if they don't like it), they can spend as much time lurking without an account as they need.
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
I don't think these people actually want to leave reddit. They are only interested in farming karma by complaining about it,
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At this point I am lacking motivation to change. Why bother switching now?
It's up to you, I was just giving you the option
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So that basically just leaves lemmy.world
I guess the question is: what's more important: trying to avoid putting most users on a single instance, or just accept that people are going to see some hexgrad nonsense in their feeds?
Only if you want top 10 instances.
sopuli.xyz and discuss.online both defederate hexbear and lemmygrad, are reliable and established
They are my recommendations nowadays
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
What can we do?
More flaming about tankies and .ml that will help.
ABSTRACT AWAY THE FEDERATION!
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Have tell new users just sign up on your instance. Make it less confusing by sending them to a specific website and not just telling them about the software.
I swear to God, there are so many tech people here that overthink it because they know details that the average user would not give a single fuck about.
Create username and password
Sign into preferred app from your favorite store.I liked old reddit, and Baconreader, so for me Jerboa was great
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This, the survivor bias is absurdly high around lemmy.
This is my fourth instance because, for some reason, it's extremely hard to find an instance that defeds the 3 main propaganda instances, allows porn/hentai, piracy talk, weed and isn't too pissy about downvotes.Still I am thinking about leaving lemmy due to a complete lack of content for my country other than government propaganda... And I don't feel comfortable creating a community for the same reason and there doesn't seem to be anyone else from my country so... Nobody who cared about it (or who could help me mod).
defeds the 3 main propaganda instances, allows porn/hentai, piracy talk, weed and isn’t too pissy about downvotes.
You indeed made the good choice, Lemmy.cafe is the one
Still I am thinking about leaving lemmy due to a complete lack of content for my country other than government propaganda…
Why not use both Lemmy and another platform?
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Yeah but you have to see it through the normal-user eyes, for them just creating a new account is a whole ordeal, then they see that ordeal makes them investigate the server before picking and then it turns out they picked wrong... For them that's that and they delete the app (never deleting the account, mind you), branding the whole lemmy experience under whatever server they picked first.
If there was some sort of... Quiz? That could help them pick... But a brutally honest one, since some instances have pretty extremists opinions, new users have to know what they are dealing with.
I could see merit to that argilument if the sign-ups process was kind've a pain, but honestly it's so easy to create an account on Lemmy it's hard to give that too much credence. Most servers just want a username and a password, and many don't even require an email to verify. If putting in a username and password somewhere else because they didn't like their first instance is too much for them, that's a pretty flighty user to begin with, and they would probably leave for a host of other reasons too.
Saying that, a better way to narrow down that initial choice of server would not go amiss, but ultimately people will need to understand that this is all run by volunteers and there may be more bumps than a corporate controlled platform, but the other advantages (if they appeal to this theoretical user) are worth it.
Even with a better server picking tool, and even if they pick a server they like the first time, it's possible that server has to shut down some day due to unforeseen circumstances, and that user will have to either accept that they have to create a new account somewhere, or decide that's not an ideal UX and never come back, which would be a shame, but impossible to prevent.
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I think two communities could have a consensual federation - where posts from each community shows up in each community's feed.
But then why not merge them, it just solves all of the issues?
Why even have a script for that now https://lemmy.world/post/24312613
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
I think a big problem is a lot of the explainers for new users, at least the ones that were around back when I first joined Mastodon, were or are absolute dog shit. They were all existential explanations rather than practical ones. I was trying to figure out which instance to join, and why one might be better for me than another, and every explainer I saw was basically a variation on, "iT's JuSt LikE EmAiL. wHy Is tHaT hArD? sToP bEiNg So sTuPid, DuMmY." None of them really explained the user experience, and how different instances might affect it, let alone the existence of the local and global feeds and how your instance choice affects those. It was like asking someone how to use chopsticks and them telling you, "It's easy. Just put food in your mouth with them. Works just like a fork."
Technically true, but it omits some pretty crucial information.
Once you're into it and have the lay of the land, it seems really simple in retrospect. But if you're coming in cold with no idea how any of it works, and the only help you get is some dickhead shouting, "EmAiL! iT's LiKe EmAiL!" then the learning curve seems a lot steeper than it actually is.
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This is fantastic thank you, I've created an account. I like the onboarding
I think it will probably address a few of the issues you have with Lemmy, and then you will join the piefed enthusiasts like @[email protected] @[email protected]
