Bad UX is keeping the majority of people away from Lemmy
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I guess that is because people don't understand what the fediverse is and why it exists.
It is one of the foundational problems the fediverse aims to fix. Marginalized communities get all the tools and authority to protect themselves from hatred and abuse.That would require people actually recommending specific websites
I actually think that's the way to go! lemmy.blahaj.zone would be one example of a queer-inclusive community.
Blahaj still federates with .world, which as you said in your previous comment is a problem.
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You fascist swine
Is this a joke?
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How did people figure out what email provider to use?
Pick the one everyone else is using. Your friend has a Hotmail? You make a Hotmail. Everyone switched to Gmail? You'll also switch to Gmail. Also for a lot of people, email is just email. They don't even know that you can choose a different provider.
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What you call brigading are just normal people like me who encountered right-wing america-centered bullcrap and react to it.
I never saw tankies spamming the lemmyverse to whine about world.
If right wing (or even other leftist groups) came into ax explicitly tankie community and started arguing with people how would you react?
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That’s what that Star Trek server did.
The problem with that is that you need to make a user on one of those servers. Do you make it on the politics one, or the games one? What happens 3 months later when you realize the server you picked on a whim is full of assholes and gets defederated?
Do you think an average user at that point would move their subscriptions to a new account or will they get annoyed at the concept?
And it's not like exporting your subs to a CSV file or something to then upload to your new account on your new instance will work. Different instances will have different communities, so it won't be a 1:1 transition.
I can definitely see the friction for new users if this happens.
We all know people are lazy, so if the friction proposed by Lemmy is more of a burden compared to the inconvenience proposed by Reddit or another social media platform, then people won't change.
It would be interesting if there could be some tool that proposes similar communities on the instance you're joining based on the communities you were subscribed to in your previous instance. Community federation could allow for that linked list that could be reverse searched and served to a user, precluded by uploading a CSV file of your communities so you don't have to keep track of individual users in a server somewhere (which is anti-privacy anyways, and Lemmy imho is pro-privacy).
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
I’m working on a lemmy app. Will be UI focused!
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People like to commit, though. They want to commit. They want to make an account and be done. The ability for established users and communities to move around is a great feature that makes Lemmy superior to other sites, but it really needs to work on making new users feel comfortable enough to stay put when they're first figuring things out, because if a new user decides to leave, they're probably not switching instances, they're switching platforms.
Having the ability to export your account data (say to a CSV) might be useful for this reason.
If you want to move to a new instance, you can pack your bags and head out.
You can probably imagine how this won't be a 1:1 transition, however, because the new instance might not have the same communities as the old instance. I commented on another thread about how it would be cool if Lemmy took your communities list, looked at how those communities federate for instance (or just do a word search on the new instance with names of the communities of the old instance), and serve you suggested new communities to subscribe to.
And if you can export your data, then there's no need to store it in a centralized way to make these types of actions doable, which favors privacy.
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Is this a joke?
I would think and hope so.
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IMHO, the UX is bad, but the user base is also repellant. It's further left than Reddit so most people who jump in bounce right off. That's going to be difficult to change organically. Especially because most users respond to this with "good." So there's definitely no appetite to appeal to a wider audience. I predict Lemmy will become increasingly ideologically partisan and isolated.
The political leaning is definitely unfortunate. The fediverse should be for everyone, not just a certain political section.
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The reality is this filters out all non tech savvy people.
It's okay, if the technology doesn't run them off, the inhabitants will.
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It's shocking to me just how stupid the average person is today. Computing catering to the lowest common denominator has made it too easy for idiots. Make computing difficult again; make people actually have to learn something. A tall order for the idiocracy of 2025.
The problem is that mainstream media has less integrity now than it did 30 years ago. The national broadcaster in Australia for example has been infiltrated by right wing people (BTW I don't want to get rid of ABC, just wish it was better). To cut through the propaganda, people need to acquire the skills to find their own media sources. Unfortunately that also means getting technical ability with computers now. Best thing I can think of is helping less adept people to navigate the space. Otherwise we end up with a much weaker democracy. Listening to C-SPAN callers in 2022-2024 scared the hell out of me and made me think Trump was gonna get voted back in. People stuck in legacy media space are getting brainwashed. I wish it was easier to curate RSS feeds for non-technical friends and family.
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Blahaj still federates with .world, which as you said in your previous comment is a problem.
Im curious about what the issue with lemmy.world is? It's just the big instance I saw when I started, so I went with that and haven't really had any issues. Nothing is really keeping me here so just wondering what im missing
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Choosing a server is the bridge too far to cross?
That's fine, keep the reddit people on reddit.
That's a pretty funny thing to say when talking about a platform explicitly designed to fill the same niche as reddit.
The call is coming from inside the house!
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I've suggested something similar before and got shur down. Just sort people into a Lemmy server either based off their interests or location
"Nationality France = Lemmy France Server"
Or
"What are your interests? Gaming = Gaming Lemmy server"
Shut down as in someone shut down the website or people telling you that the idea is trash?
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I don't think partisan is even the right word here as many Lemmy users are too far left for mainstream political parties. In fact I am further left than most any mainstream party, but am still considered a capitalist shill by people here.
Leftists were banned on Reddit long ago and federation and internet archtiecture and infrastructure is made by generally leftists and libertarian types. So yeah, lots of leftists and libertarian types are around these niche and relatively new (I started using the fediverse nearly 10 years ago lol). Surprise pikachu face when normal people stop using reddit and see leftists since they were shielded from them by corporations, but it shouldn't be that surprising honestly
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Im curious about what the issue with lemmy.world is? It's just the big instance I saw when I started, so I went with that and haven't really had any issues. Nothing is really keeping me here so just wondering what im missing
Drag has been misgendered (The he/him kind), harassed, and banned from communities on .world for using neopronouns. The admins don't care and do nothing.
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
Ah Lemmy. Still full of comments from smug assholes pretending their lack of sonder is the good kind, and if they don't understand something it's cause it's worthless and pointless while their knowledge is the most important.
Yeah, there are other reasons than the UX/UI and the screenshot even shows it.
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I stand corrected. However:
Neither Jerboa, the first app on join-lemmy.org and the one by the Lemmy devs, nor Lemmy.World's own web interface gave me this option. I downloaded Thunder, Voyager, and Sync, and only Thunder gave me that as an option. When searching how to block instances, the top results are that you can't (at least on DDG).
So, unless I'm being incredibly stupid right now, I can block instances, but only if I use a specific app, or perhaps choose the "right" instance. That's still very bad UX.
after using Thunder for a bit, this blocking clearly does not extend to users.
The people suggesting it know it doesnt do what you want. They are being disingenuous.
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If right wing (or even other leftist groups) came into ax explicitly tankie community and started arguing with people how would you react?
"Tankie" is how first-world "leftist" describe third-world leftists.
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
The tough part for me is that the reason I use Reddit is for bullshitting with people about sports teams I like. Lets look at some of the communities here.
- Baltimore Orioles -- There's one on lemmy.world with 150 subscribers. The last post is from 4 months ago and it's a game thread posted by a bot with 0 comments. There's also one on fanaticus.social with the last post from 7 months ago.
- Carolina Panthers -- There's one on fanaticus.social with 3 subscribers.
- Miami Heat -- There's one on lemmy.world with 10 subscribers.
- Pittsburgh Penguins -- Again, lemmy.world with 11 subscribers.
I'd love to get off reddit but until there's actually people to talk with, this place is just never going to meet the needs of sports content that I use Reddit for. I had no interest in Bluesky until some people actually got on it as well. The Shutdown Fullcast for college football brought a bunch of people and fans there so it gave some utility to the site. Without utility, there's no reason to be here.
