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Do we really know anything?

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    I forgot how this direction of philosophy was called. Avenarius was one of the main names... But it was debunked by philosophers themselves somewhere in the middle of the XIX century.

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    In philosophy, It's a core concept called solipsism.

    The encouraged answer to it is don't think about it and best to move on, even within philosophy, because asking the questions that actually matter about the nature of the mind and existence, are a terrible drain on productivity and GDP, and those are most certainly real and totes important things that must exist 🤣

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      I am a Boltzmann Brain and there is literally nothing anyone can do to convince me otherwise...jk

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        This is my thought. If we’re living in some dreamscape, why is physics so ruthlessly inflexible?

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        Maybe it's not. Maybe we are all tiny parts of same consciousness that creates the dream, which makes it consistent based on our shared expectations, or shared subconscious, or whatever connection it is that makes us one. Or something along these lines.

        That would explain the consistency without relying upon rigid materialist laws.

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          Well, yes. Actually it does matter. Modern materialistic approach lets us assume that physical laws (no matter if we know them or not) are universal and applicable to anything. "Dream" concept leaves us in total chaos without even a theoretical chance to figure out how things work. It even has totally crazy synchronization problems between different "dreamers" if there are a few of them. There isn't a single question that is answered by Machism. Absolute religion-tier stupidity.

          So it does matter.

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          ā€œDreamā€ concept leaves us in total chaos without even a theoretical chance to figure out how things work.

          I disagree. There’s no reason the scientific method (observe, question, hypothesize, experiment, record data, draw conclusions) can’t be applied in dreams.

          Just because your dreams aren’t consistent or logical doesn’t mean it’s impossible to have a logically consistent dream.

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            we know math, 1+1=2, 2+2=4

            really hard if not impossible to convince people otherwise

            once you've set the axioms of math, everything else follows

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              This is my thought. If we’re living in some dreamscape, why is physics so ruthlessly inflexible?

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              Physics isn’t solved, so I don’t think it’s fair to call it ruthlessly inflexible. https://youtu.be/nn94mn8ozOI

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                Great A'Tuin?

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                turtles all the way down

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                  we know math, 1+1=2, 2+2=4

                  really hard if not impossible to convince people otherwise

                  once you've set the axioms of math, everything else follows

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                  Math is not really "knowledge of the universe" though, it's just the symbols and syntax we use to help map it when we try to understand the universe (through physics, chemistry, biology, etc.). Now, the maps that we have through maths can be extremely useful and very accurate to/representative of reality, certainly.

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                    Btw, for those saying solipsism, yes, it is a thing but it's not represented here. Frank didn't say "this is my higher being's dream and you're all part of it", he said "we are all in a lower level of reality to that of the external Creator". It's closer to Abrahamic monotheism than solipsism! šŸ˜…

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                      I am a Boltzmann Brain and there is literally nothing anyone can do to convince me otherwise...jk

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                      For the moment

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