GitHub - LadybirdBrowser/ladybird: Truly independent web browser
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Existence? Because somebody used a wrong pronoun?
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there's startpage which is a Google wrapper if you're interested
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Language is extremely powerful.
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Again this shit. This have been debunked many times, yet people still write this nonsense.
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Sure, but there's no transphobia here. Stop spreading nonsense.
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They still exist? I was under the impression that they are abandoned.
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The issue wasn’t framed as being a “drive-by,” though later that’s what they claimed. It was about ideology.
But that's the problem, it's both a drive-by, useless change and a politically motivated one. If you show up to a project and submit a change that violates multiple rules, it's dealer's choice which one to pick.
With asynchronous discussions like this, it's impossible to know their motivations, so it's helpful to assume the best instead of the worst.
Check this out: https://mkultra.monster/tech/2024/07/03/serenityos-and-ladybird
From that:
In order to not look like I'm just repeating myself over and over, here is another pull request where a user fixed the specifically gendered language, and was denied
Here's the PR in question. It was merged, probably because it didn't just change "he" to "they" in one spot (but did just that in a few spots), but actually fixed confusing language.
And then after it was merged, there were tons of irrelevant comments about the policy and other PRs.
The one I pulled here included changes from the other rejected PRs. Maybe this was by a different reviewer, idk. That said, it's still a little iffy since it's just fixing grammar and especially pronouns that aren't really relevant to the code it's commenting.
I probably would've accepted that last one because it fixes stuff in a lot of places rather than one (quantity has a quality of its own), and accepting it will hopefully stop PR spam.
Look, I’m not calling him a transphobe or a misogynist
He may be. Idk.
My criticisms here go to everyone involved:
- reviewer should've rejected the PRs because they're noisy, not because they're "political"
- submitter shouldn't just submit a 1-line grammar fix in a comment
- github users shouldn't brigade, discussion should be technical
- blog author should be more accurate (see above)
It's stupid drama all around.
Fixing comments is fine. If you're going to only fix comments, at least fix a bunch of them at once, and ideally more than just a pronoun or grammar mistake here and there. English isn't everyone's first language, so assume the best and don't waste everyone's time with useless changes.
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Actually just tried this for the first time yesterday after switching to librewolf. Have only used it once, but already seems better than DDG.
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Definitely. Even other series were interesting. I especially like his perspective of how much bloated software currently is. But I ultimately unsubscribed him, because the most videos were alt-right bullshit, without providing even credible sources on the biggest claims. Definitely NOT give him any traffic anymore, he doesn't deserve it.
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They absolutely do. A lot of distros package Firefox or Chromium or something as the default, but those browsers are default for their respective DEs.
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Agreed. The signal to noise ratio really suffers now.
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Try out SearXNG.
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It can also be the correct arrestment. Context is everything.
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Totally excessive in view of the facts.
There are so few alternative browsers and the collapse of the privacy is so global. That seems to me a minor point in relation to the goal.
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i know there was a thing at the beginning of the project where they wrote a lot of the documentation with masculine pronouns (ie assuming the reader was male), and when they were asked to change that for gender neutral pronouns, they said no because "they don’t want politics in their project"
beyond that however, idk if they eventually changed that or if they did other stuff
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Sigh, you do have a point.
Maybe this was by a different reviewer, idk.
It was. Some other member of SerenityOS, not the person behind Ladybird (awesomekling).
blog author should be more accurate (see above)
That's fair. I'll say though, the blog post is dated from 1 day after the PR was actually merged. It's not unreasonable to think that, when they wrote it, it really hadn't been merged and they only saw the initial denial citing the policy.
He may be. Idk.
Yeah, I was just trying to say that that wasn't the point of my rant. I get it I get it.
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I donate to Ladybird and Servo, and I hope they succeed. We need serious competition and a check on Mozilla (not to mention Chrome and Safari).
That said, I'm sad that neither Ladybird or Servo are licensed under strong copyleft licenses. We need user-oriented browsers now more than ever, and strong copyleft enables that. I worry that, even if these engines are successful, they will be co-opted by proprietary browsers and eventually superseded by them.
This happened before - both Chrome and Safari ultimately derive from KHTML, Konqueror's browser engine. If KHTML had been licnesed under the GPL instead of the LGPL, Chrome and Safari may have been free software today (or at the very least, it would have been much more difficult for Apple and Google to get started).
That said, I wish Ladybird the best. There donation = no influence policy is excellent, and I really, really hope they can stick to it in the long term.
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Don’t think we should be scared of the word “political” or “ideology”.
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in my mind it's kinda the point of Ladybird to have a permissively licensed implementation of web standards, I like permissive licenses if only because they reduce legal risks
