The goal is suffering
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Yeah, that's to an extent what happened with Soviet microdistricts (so many examples from Soviet practice, guess it was some good after all). Except in a bit different way, but I'll get to the part about creating a district populated with just homeless people not being a good idea.
There was a bright idea of, for some degree of coziness and comfort, building serial housing organized into similar (they all look like one more or less) sections, having same spaces with grocery stores, laundries, same green places with trees, same everything, and on a bit larger scale even schools in the same locations.
So - being a teenager or a young man in USSR you'd do well not to wander into your neighboring microdistrict after dark or even at day alone. Local hooligans would treat that as trespassing, rob you and possibly beat you up. That wouldn't be even considered something wrong, your own mistake.
They did achieve the set goal - in terms of green spaces and proximity of everything and nice feel those districts are fine, - but for the same reason of isolation and silence all areas developed this way had (and still have) problems with street crime.
As to your specific concern - I think that if we want to do serial state-provided housing, then it shouldn't be limited to homeless people.
Probably some kind of categorization of applicants should be done, a few apartments in each building should be allocated to homeless (not in the same section of it, but equally spread), a few for veterans, a few to be sold to redeem some of the cost, a few for students, and so on. The proportions can be decided upon. So that the general composition of each house's inhabitants were kinda average.
This would naturally be contrary to the interest of realtors and developers and landlords, so I'd expect such a program to require overcoming a lot.
Yeah, having a distribution of "classes" within a communal housing makes the most sense.
The issue of having a maladapted homeless person within proximity of "normal" people is that they may negatively affect others in meaningful ways. So an intermediary step from the streets to communal housing is necessary to act as a rehabilitation point to filter out the homeless that would actively harm the peace, safety, and security of everyone else. Without that intermediary step, the community will step up and "handle" the situation in a less than desirable manner. "So you are saying the guy that we have had various complaints about multiple times a month just decided to jump off the roof and nobody saw anything?" That sort of dynamic has played out throughout human history.
So a degree of isolation and counseling is necessary and the duration would be highly dependent on the individual's needs.
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"The director tells me it could have been done in 72 hours if we were allowed to make it even more inhumane / unsafe"
Fixed that for you.
Don't forget to make the working conditions inhumane and unsafe for the workers building the place! That could probably shave off a few hours, too!
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Why would literally anyone want to live in a concentration camp for any reason. The streets seem way better than this.
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This is the first Lemmy meme I've seen that's been deep fried compared to how I saw it on Reddit.
There's no brainrot underline on the other version.
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Don't forget to make the working conditions inhumane and unsafe for the workers building the place! That could probably shave off a few hours, too!
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Built by and built for it's occupants planned occupants I bet
Edit: Its not it's (and autocorrect tried to correct me again)
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Yeah, having a distribution of "classes" within a communal housing makes the most sense.
The issue of having a maladapted homeless person within proximity of "normal" people is that they may negatively affect others in meaningful ways. So an intermediary step from the streets to communal housing is necessary to act as a rehabilitation point to filter out the homeless that would actively harm the peace, safety, and security of everyone else. Without that intermediary step, the community will step up and "handle" the situation in a less than desirable manner. "So you are saying the guy that we have had various complaints about multiple times a month just decided to jump off the roof and nobody saw anything?" That sort of dynamic has played out throughout human history.
So a degree of isolation and counseling is necessary and the duration would be highly dependent on the individual's needs.
So a degree of isolation and counseling is necessary and the duration would be highly dependent on the individual’s needs.
I agree. In between and also for some time after being given that social housing.
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So a degree of isolation and counseling is necessary and the duration would be highly dependent on the individual’s needs.
I agree. In between and also for some time after being given that social housing.
Absolutely, you can't just call them good and send them off into the population. A degree of continued support would be advisable even if they have transitioned into a "normal" state equal to the average person because homelessness has long-term psychological effects that can't be allowed to smoulder.
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thanks me later
Wait I need my subway surfer footage
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Wait I need my subway surfer footage
And a ton of auto-bad-generated subtitles bumping in the screen
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It's not that difficult to build a concentration camp with shitty cots, inadequate facilities, and hazardousness as a feature built in on nearly unlivable land in the Everglades.
It likely is slightly more difficult to build housing for homeless people unless you're trying to build death trap, concentration camp housing for them as well.
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thanks, you later
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I'm so glad the yellow underline exists in this 60-word screenshot to tell me where I should pay attention. I don't think my poor, dystrophied zoomer brain could sit down for the average 15 seconds it would take otherwise.
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And what's with the borders?
The border issues are just theater to distract us all from the real machinations of our universal puppeteers...
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It's not that difficult to build a concentration camp with shitty cots, inadequate facilities, and hazardousness as a feature built in on nearly unlivable land in the Everglades.
It likely is slightly more difficult to build housing for homeless people unless you're trying to build death trap, concentration camp housing for them as well.
Yeah, I get the point they're trying to make, but this is a pretty silly comparison. It's like "oh, so you can eat a 6" sub but not an 18" pizza? Pff, fake hunger".
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Impressive to the SS members still alive, perhaps.
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if the U.S was to ethically and legally house the homeless it would cost much more because criminals, the homeless, as well as some other outgroups are the only groups whose dehumanization is legal, meaning that to ethically house (and therefore humanize) them would be much more expensive as humans require more than just cages to live.
i agree with the tweet though, im just saying that the homeless can and should be provided with adequate housing and that we can and should imagine and work towards better then cages for our future.
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Daily reminder to all ICE agents. By signing up for ICE, you have signed yourself up for a lifetime of fear and criminal liability. There are Nazi concentration camp guards that were tried for their crimes in their 90s. There is no statute of limitations on crimes against humanity. Your names are recorded; your deeds are known. And you will face justice for your crimes.
I want every Democratic politician to be repeating this every chance they get, a modern day "Carthage must be destroyed." My greatest fear is that when this is done, and Democrats are eventually back in power, that they will fall back on the same suicidal tendencies that got us here in the first place. Obama came into power on the back of the criminal Bush administration, and his first act of office was to declare "it's time to move on," and to announce that no members of the prior regime would be prosecuted. And Biden did the same after the first Trump term. We need to be willing to hold people accountable. And we need to be talking about this now. We need to fully embrace the idea of prosecuting ICE agents for their crimes against humanity. We cannot declare it's time to move on and to let them get away with what they have done.
And no, "I'm just following orders" is not an excuse. Anyone who says that deserves to hang.
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Don't forget to make the working conditions inhumane and unsafe for the workers building the place! That could probably shave off a few hours, too!
Honestly, if you build or work at a place like this, you deserve to die. If you're a guard at a concentration camp, I hope you die quickly. You don't deserve to live.
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Daily reminder to all ICE agents. By signing up for ICE, you have signed yourself up for a lifetime of fear and criminal liability. There are Nazi concentration camp guards that were tried for their crimes in their 90s. There is no statute of limitations on crimes against humanity. Your names are recorded; your deeds are known. And you will face justice for your crimes.
I want every Democratic politician to be repeating this every chance they get, a modern day "Carthage must be destroyed." My greatest fear is that when this is done, and Democrats are eventually back in power, that they will fall back on the same suicidal tendencies that got us here in the first place. Obama came into power on the back of the criminal Bush administration, and his first act of office was to declare "it's time to move on," and to announce that no members of the prior regime would be prosecuted. And Biden did the same after the first Trump term. We need to be willing to hold people accountable. And we need to be talking about this now. We need to fully embrace the idea of prosecuting ICE agents for their crimes against humanity. We cannot declare it's time to move on and to let them get away with what they have done.
And no, "I'm just following orders" is not an excuse. Anyone who says that deserves to hang.
This needs to be (if it isn't already) a copypasta that finds its way onto every post and comment board concerning ICE and the current administration's barbarous acts towards people who's only crime was not being a white person who was born here.
