If your mean the next big architecture, sure. If your meaning literal cores, they still have a long way to go. I'm sure they will have competitive performance eventually, but not real soon.

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I don't know. I know it's been getting way better.

Bought a second hand surface pro 8 and put fedore on it. It is very good.

On this topic, the vast majority of people seem to think that AI means the free tier of ChatGPT. AI isn't a magical computer demon that can grant all of your wishes, but that doesn't mean that it is worthless. For example, Alphafold essentially solved protein folding and diffusion models built on that discovery let us generate novel proteins with specific properties with the same ease as we can make a picture of an astronaut on a horse. Image classification is massively useful in manufacturing. Instead of custom designed programs purpose built for each client ($$$), you can find tune existing models with generic tools using labor that doesn't need to be a software engineer. Robotics is another field. The amount of work required for humans to design and code their control systems was enormous. Now you can use standard models, give them arbitrary limbs and configurations and train them in simulated environments. This massively cuts down on the amount of engineering work ($$$) required.

What exactly can you upgrade iteratively? At the price point, being able to upgrade memory, storage, and motherboard is unique. And I know you say that it's the "vast majority" of the cost, but I just bought a Framework 13 last month (I know, great timing) and the mainboard was right around half the total cost. So sure, the most expensive single component, but it means that I can upgrade to a better-performing machine in the future for half the price and not need to junk everything else. Framework laptops just use USB C dongles for everything. Correct. But honestly, having the swappable I/O is fantastic; over the last five laptops I've owned, I've only upgraded because I wanted new capabilities once. For the other four, it's because a component failed; and in two of them it was a USB port, while in a third it was a charging port. Being able to replace those would have extended the lives of those machines substantially. fewer vendors to buy a dongle from Actually, they're open-source (not proprietary). And since they're USB-C, you could probably just take out the card and plug a dongle right in there if you really needed to (I have not tried this). Framework: 999 + 399 = 1398 for two generations of a laptop I'm planning to hold on to this device for a whole lot longer than two generations. If I can, I'd like to hang on to it for 15-20 years. The laptop I upgraded from was five years old or so (and would still be going strong if it didn't have a port that was about to die and un-upgradeable RAM and storage), and my desktop is 13 years old and still going strong, so this isn't terribly unreasonable. I would estimate that I'll end up pouring about $2000, all told, into this laptop over that time period, likely replacing 3-4 laptop purchases and giving me a better machine during that time period. that assumes that your display and keyboard held up and didn't need replacing, Both of which would be cheaper than a new device. A new display is $150 and a new keyboard is $30. I don't know about the longevity of each component, but based on the research I did it's definitely not worse than an off-the-shelf machine. you liked all the default dongles Framework gave you (which is apparently just four USB C ports... to plug into the four USB C ports on the laptop), There aren't any defaults. When you spec out your kit, you choose which cards to purchase. Replacing them costs about $10. and, most importantly, that Framework didn't change their form factor They've only done that once since they launched, across six updates to the components. When they made that upgrade, they offered a $90 top cover to bring first gen devices up to second gen specs. (I am not sure if they did for the 16 inch laptops to support the "modular" keyboards). There's only been one generation of the 16 inch laptops, and they've always had the modular keyboards. The refresh they announced yesterday is just to components, not to chassis. Every spare dongle or repaired/upgraded part costs money. Yep, and I'm fine with that because it means that I can spec it out the way I want; I don't have to pay for I/O that I'll never use. My old laptop had an SD card reader and a DisplayPort output; I literally never used either. The one I had before it had a SATA connector on the external I/O, and a couple of other pieces of nonsense that I didn't want or need. Actually, thinking back, I don't know if I've ever owned a laptop (until this one) where I actually used all of the ports. And I don't really fault them too much for not letting you actually swap CPUs since that was basically something only the sickest of sickos did Yeah, I think swappable CPUs on a laptop are a thing of the past. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it coming back. I do worry that this just encourages people to hoard parts I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM I CAN STOP WHENEVER I WANT TO

and if you actually want a PC for gaming on, a discrete gpu (eg: 7900xt) is going to be at least 3x faster at throwing polygons around than the 8060S. This thing is definitely better for AI workloads than gaming.

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I think the best way I've heard it put is "if we absolutely have to burn down a forest, I want warp drive out of it. Not a crappy python app"

Yeah, but even them you'd need to be careful in choosing the model, because so many manufacturers make it either impossible or very hard to unlock the bootloader!!

The APU/RAM is one unit Yes that's the point. everything else is modular and repairable. That makes no sense. If any of those components fail, you might as well throw the whole thing in the garbage because that's 90% of the cost of the machine. They’re one upping Apple, big PC OEMs and Chinese Mini PC makers with a more repairable, consumer friendly product. What's about this is more repairable or consumer friendly? I think you are clinging to the idea that RAM will be separate and upgradable from the CPU for a long time… I am not "clinging" to anything. I didnt put that standard on them, that's Framework's marketing. I don't believe it's not possible, I just don't believe anyone cares enough to make it happen.

It is understandable that the answer is "because they can". But another jarring thing is how common locked bootloaders are. You can make pretty much any random laptop privacy-respecting by installing Linux, but there is a good chance your random given phone cannot have things like Lineage?! Or they can but it is so complicated that might as well not count, like Xiaomi...

teams online client is good enough, too

Specifically AMD said that it's achievable but you'll be operating at approx 50% of available bandwidth, and that's with LPCAMM2. SO/DIMMs are right out of the running. Mostly this is AMDs fault but if you want a GPU with 96-110 GBs of memory you don't really have a choice.

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