An Iraqi man who carried out several Quran burnings in Sweden has been killed

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Toss in a torah to complete the Abrahamic trifecta and top it with dianetics because fuck scientology in particular.

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Seems pretty accepted by some Lemmy commenters and certain vocal minorities in the western countries.

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No? He's saying it triggers plenty of Islamophobia. If you actually follow the logic, it sounds more like he's adding more arguments against this kind of killing.

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What a take.

You see the difference of an individual burning a book that he owns and leaving your books alone and the state burning all the books and forbidding you from accessing them... right?

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I haven't read the Quran or Mein Kampf, but even the old testament is plenty hateful.

Your kid makes fun of some bald dude? Death penalty, mauled by bear.

Add to that (I've heard second hand, correct me if I'm wrong) that there is some pedofilia/child marriage in the Quran, so I see how someone could have strong feelings about it.

The amount of people liking a book shouldn't be an argument to judge its hatrfulness.

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Well that checks out.

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This is, as a matter of fact, incorrect. There is only one law regarding what in english might be called "hate speech". It refers to "agitation against a population group", and is the only exception to freedom of expression relevant in this context, mentioned in "brottsbalken", our criminal law.

Brottsbalken, Kap. 16, 8 § Den som i ett uttalande eller i ett annat meddelande som sprids uppmanar till våld mot, hotar eller uttrycker missaktning för en folkgrupp, en annan sådan grupp av personer eller en enskild i någon av dessa grupper med anspelning på ras, hudfärg, nationellt eller etniskt ursprung, trosbekännelse, sexuell läggning eller könsöverskridande identitet eller uttryck, döms för hets mot folkgrupp till fängelse i högst två år.

Criticism of religion however is raised in other, more important parts of law, namely the Swedish form of Government (our constitution). It is there, specifically and repeatedly, mentioned as a kind of speech and expression that is protected. As such, in the case of Salwan Momika it'd have been necessary to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he intended to target muslims by burning quran books, rather than (as he himself claimed) to openly criticize islam. Nobody has as of the posting of this comment been deemed guilty of agitation for burning any religious texts in Sweden under the current law.

This is part of why the trial of him and his companion ended up taking so long. It was one of the first high-profile cases of its kind and likely to set precedent on the topic. As such, I consider his assassination on the night before the verdict of his trial to be not only a barbaric act of violence, but also an explicit attack on the Swedish legal system, our constitution and our freedom of expression.

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I'm not for the death penalty or killing people generally (very rare exceptions, maybe).

That said, he did it to rile up millions of people with hate speech (for them it is I bet), so like don't do that or you might face consequences.

Free speech isn't about the right to hate speeching. What a douchebag.

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He did it to incite hate. No sane person care about the paper.

I guess if you burn the american flag in Texas, screaming and complaining loudly about"freedom of speech", people will get annoyed, but 20 years ago it was illegal to do so.

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I'm an American mechanical engineer that's been considering working and living in Sweden for a long time, with recent events pushing me to pursue it with more vigor. Do you know of any culture/law/history primers that may be accessible for an English speaker? Or similar subject but in Swedish with children's book-style vocab/grammar? Cultural integration for kindergartners would be excellent. I'd just like to not make a fool of myself!

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I don't think we should consider blasphemy as hate speech. Or do you want to be required to follow the rules of all religions because they are all offended by it?

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I have mixed thoughts on it really, like you should be allowed to do it but its just pointless and stupid so why the fuck would you?

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It wasn't the blasphemy that was hate speech, it was the whole rhing riling them up ffs.

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To me, it's more about the goal he was trying to achieve. He clearly did it to taunt and insult. In that context, I can see how this should be a punishable offense (not death though).

It would be a similar thing if you had learned that the prime minister of Sweden likes to create art at home. Then buying one of his art pieces and burn it in front of his house. Sure, burning art is not a punishable offense, but the goal of intimidating someone with such a symbol could/should be.

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Isn’t that basically like burning newspaper? Both would work I guess

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Being offended is not a justification for killing nor is it hate speech.

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Its doing so outside of their house that could be intimidation at that point though. So if you burnt the art in your own home surely it would be fine? Essentially the burning isn't the problem.

A more reasonable response is Muslims call the guy a cunt and move on.

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That's different as those are very niche.

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He was being charged for doing this? I had completely missed that. Was Sweden always like this?

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An Iraqi man who carried out several Quran burnings in Sweden has been killed