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New Bill to Effectively Kill Anime & Other Piracy in the U.S. Gets Backing by Netflix, Disney & Sony

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    Aren't most torrent sites not based in the US to begin with?

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    • jomiran@lemmy.mlJ [email protected]

      I started using pirated software in 1990, back when my first PC was gifted to me. All software I had was copied because I could not afford jack shit on my own. It is thanks to pirated (and open source) software that I have the career I have, and can afford to spend thousands of dollars on legitimate software, music, movies, books, etc.

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      I got my first computer, an Apple II, back in the 1980s as a hand-me-down from my (much older) brother when he left for college and I was just 6.

      All but one disk was pirated.

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      • ratzchatsubo@lemm.eeR [email protected]

        I really only hoard music media on Plex as I have friends who collect movies and I use streaming sites like Ororo.tv on Kodi.

        I tried Lidarr but I find that it is inconsistent enough that it is just a find-and-grab utility for me.

        I much prefer ripping tidal tracks on my phone using a tidal-dl in termix and then just using a ftp to my Pi when I get home

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        FWIW, Lidarr works the worst out of the arr stack for me too. I don't know if there's just not enough well indexed material in my sources or what, but yeah, not great.

        If your entire experience with the arr stack has been Lidarr so far, give it another shot! Sonarr and Radarr work absolutely perfectly. It's just such a nice feeling to open Jellyfin (or I guess Plex) on the TV and go "oh nice new episode is out!"

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        • ratzchatsubo@lemm.eeR [email protected]

          We only pirate because it's easier and cheaper. If you actually had a catch all service (like old Netflix) for a low price, people would stop. Oh wait, we had that but greed got in the way again.

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          As has often been reiterated: piracy is a service problem. If what you get by paying more is an inferior service, then people don’t want to pay for that service.

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            We only pirate because it's easier and cheaper. If you actually had a catch all service (like old Netflix) for a low price, people would stop. Oh wait, we had that but greed got in the way again.

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            I miss my $8 a month google music + YouTube red… I wonder if people got to keep the legacy price for YouTube premium

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              As has often been reiterated: piracy is a service problem. If what you get by paying more is an inferior service, then people don’t want to pay for that service.

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              100% true, haven't pirated a single game since I started using Steam and actually having a paycheck since about 10 years ago

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                I am quite fond of Nyaa :3

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                  There's a part of me that has become annoyed that i'm forced to pay for a vpn to now access the entirety of the internet. I don't blame the vpn provider, though. Nope, they are not the ones I blame...

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                    They already banned pornhub and pornographers. Fascists are geing to fash.

                    MPA logo corrected

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                    • flyingsquid@lemmy.worldF [email protected]

                      Aren't most torrent sites not based in the US to begin with?

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                      Has never stopped the world bully from bullying others.

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                        Has never stopped the world bully from bullying others.

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                        True, but I think the world bully is about to find out that it isn't the world bully anymore now that it's bullying itself.

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                        • ratzchatsubo@lemm.eeR [email protected]

                          We only pirate because it's easier and cheaper. If you actually had a catch all service (like old Netflix) for a low price, people would stop. Oh wait, we had that but greed got in the way again.

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                          Why just pay one service a small fee for ad free streaming, when you can pay a lot of services a large fee for ad supported streaming?

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                            It is impossible to ban piracy. The whole concept is that it's not legal to begin with.

                            I bet Lars Ulrich is so proud that he killed music piracy back when he killed napster.

                            Except wait.....no he didn't he killed A service. Meaning singular. The concept of piracy moved on. We got limewire and torrents.

                            The ONLY thing that has slowed (if not stopped) music piracy is making the content readily and easily available in a convienent consumption method at a reasonable price.

                            Shocking, I know.

                            The invention of iTunes CHARGING money for music in a (at the time) new more convienent method of music consumption at a reasonable price did leaps and bounds more to destroy piracy than Napsters downfall ever could.

                            Now if only video services would learn this lession. Because it's the same lession. I don't know how they missed the memo on this.

                            Put your video in one centralized place. Make it hassle free to watch. Charge a reasonable price. Piracy dies overnight.

                            And just to prove it, show of hands. Who here would go through the effort and risk of pirating, if Netflix had everything you wanted to watch, for $5 a month? Who here would say no, and still pirate? Reply below and tell me if you would still pirate with those conditions?

                            But instead, netflix is pushing $20 a month, and the video hosting is fractured among multiple hosts, all of which overcharge, AND want to serve ads.

                            Oh hey, right on cue. It's a skull and bones flag approaching.

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                            Video services involve bigger files, subtitles availability, streaming load less evenly spread over hours.

                            But I personally think there are ways involving chunk encryption (one key for many users for the same chunk, but not the same key for everyone ; obviously in the end it's decrypted and decoded at user's machine, so opportunity for piracy is not avoidable) and something like bittorrent to make commercial video streaming both convenient for users and not such a technical challenge for distributors.

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                              This is dumb considering that these types of streaming sites are how I actually discover anime and become a fan enough that i want to purchase merch. I pay for Crunchy Roll, but sometimes I want to check out stuff from other services. If I had to rely sheerly on legal services I wouldn't watch or discover half of what I did.

                              Legal services are also pretty inferior. I wanted to watch A certain Scientific Railgun.. Season 1 was dubbed, but season 2 on the service wasn't... I literally had to track it down on some streaming site to get access to what I'm paying for.

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                                The people who create these services will always be more clever and quick to implement workarounds than politicians. It's a futile battle.

                                Want to avoid piracy? Make getting things easier and more convenient.

                                Back when Netflix was £5-10 depending on tier, had a load of content, and an account could be shared between a few trusted people, I practically gave up pirating. Now it's £18 per month for 4K and doesn't have those other positives going for it, I've abandoned it in favour of Radarr+Sonarr+Plex, and am having a better experience.

                                For video games, I predominantly buy from Steam, because it's a good service, and so far I have not seen any evidence that Valve are going to fuck me over. They've made gaming and all the things ancillary to it a lot more convenient. So I happily pay. If they embrace enshittification, guess what I'll do?

                                The only games I do pirate are Nintendo/Sega games that haven't been sold in decades. Why? Because there's no feasible other way to buy them and keep them!

                                I don't pirate music because Spotify, for all the issues I have with it (and boy do I have a few), still has almost every song I search for, is fairly priced, and hasn't clamped down on account sharing in the same way Netflix/Disney/etc have. I'm part of a family where we split the cost. All the music I could possibly want for £2.20 per month? Fine by me! If that goes away, I go away, yarr harr.

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                                  It's like Gabe said (paraphrased): "Piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem."

                                  Make it easy to buy stuff and people will. But the more barriers you put up, the more people will pirate. Granted, there are persons like you (and I counted among those at one point) who cannot afford things from time-to-time, but we're a minority. Every game I've ever pirated from those days I have made sure to purchase once I was able to.

                                  Make it available for easy purchase and people will buy it.

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                                  I still usually pirate when buying requires jumping through too many hoops. Being in a sanctioned country, ahem, adds some just impractical to go through.

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                                    Anyone offhandedly know how this would affect Usenet

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                                    Usenet is perfectly controllable for this kind of thing.

                                    Also it's not intended for sharing binaries, that's bad behavior.

                                    I can see something new, distributed (no servers), but with Usenet's feel and paradigm, being the pinnacle of piracy. But there is no such thing.

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                                      The people who create these services will always be more clever and quick to implement workarounds than politicians. It's a futile battle.

                                      Want to avoid piracy? Make getting things easier and more convenient.

                                      Back when Netflix was £5-10 depending on tier, had a load of content, and an account could be shared between a few trusted people, I practically gave up pirating. Now it's £18 per month for 4K and doesn't have those other positives going for it, I've abandoned it in favour of Radarr+Sonarr+Plex, and am having a better experience.

                                      For video games, I predominantly buy from Steam, because it's a good service, and so far I have not seen any evidence that Valve are going to fuck me over. They've made gaming and all the things ancillary to it a lot more convenient. So I happily pay. If they embrace enshittification, guess what I'll do?

                                      The only games I do pirate are Nintendo/Sega games that haven't been sold in decades. Why? Because there's no feasible other way to buy them and keep them!

                                      I don't pirate music because Spotify, for all the issues I have with it (and boy do I have a few), still has almost every song I search for, is fairly priced, and hasn't clamped down on account sharing in the same way Netflix/Disney/etc have. I'm part of a family where we split the cost. All the music I could possibly want for £2.20 per month? Fine by me! If that goes away, I go away, yarr harr.

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                                      Not to mention Valve spearheaded major development for making Linux gaming like 200% better than it used to be, with development of Proton and everything, and giving all those work back to the entire gaming community as open source products entirely for free, bring in momentum for an entire industry.

                                      That's a company you support.

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                                        You can't legislate piracy away...

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                                          We only pirate because it's easier and cheaper. If you actually had a catch all service (like old Netflix) for a low price, people would stop. Oh wait, we had that but greed got in the way again.

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                                          If you actually had a catch all service

                                          I believe this used to be called cable tv.

                                          But before you reply, yeah, I know cable didn't get everything. And you had to pay extra for Disney, HBO, etc. That's all true.

                                          But I do remember a time right around 2005, when everyone was saying "if only there were a-la-carte options, for people who only want sports, or only want movies". My point being, there's no winning and the grass is always greener somewhere.

                                          And for what it's worth, I basically agree with you. I use Plex, I have a few friends who also run Plex servers and we all share content. That's the best catch all I've ever found.

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