Pope Francis has died
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Don't be sad, he was as just bad as any of his colleagues.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/11/world/europe/pope-francis-homophobic-slur.html
Francis was known as a liberal reformer, making headlines across the globe by permitting the blessing of same-sex couples and promoting global action on climate change.
Francis worked as a janitor and a chemical technician in the food-processing industry before entering the seminary.
He was outspoken about clergy abuse and called on the Catholic Church to "act decisively" against paedophile priests just months after his 2013 appointment.
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I have terrible news for you if you think using a homophobic slur is as bad as anything the previous popes and cardinals have been doing.
The homophobic slurs should also be a reminder that the catholic church is a homophobic cult.
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I am surpringly annoyed about Americans somehow finding a way to make this about themselves.
In reality I'm much more worried about the likely counterreformist pushback that is likely about to happen. We're about to find out if a remarkably powerful organization's leader was able to seed enough support to secure a politically aligned successor, and if the answer is "no" a bunch of organizations are about to get even more ruthlessly conservative at a time when a new strain of fascism is seeking moral support. The Catholic Church has been here before. It didn't go well.
"Francis appointed nearly 80% of the cardinal electors who will choose the next pope, increasing the possibility that his successor will continue his progressive policies, despite the strong pushback from traditionalists."
https://www.reuters.com/world/pope-francis-has-died-vatican-says-video-statement-2025-04-21/
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It's just a religion, we strip it of any power if they misbehave.
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Francis was known as a liberal reformer, making headlines across the globe by permitting the blessing of same-sex couples and promoting global action on climate change.
Francis worked as a janitor and a chemical technician in the food-processing industry before entering the seminary.
He was outspoken about clergy abuse and called on the Catholic Church to "act decisively" against paedophile priests just months after his 2013 appointment.
Francis was known as a liberal reformer, making headlines across the globe by permitting the blessing of same-sex couples and promoting global action on climate change.
He was also known as the ceo of a homophobic and misogynist cult and for strolling around italy in a private helicopter.
He was outspoken about clergy abuse and called on the Catholic Church to “act decisively” against paedophile priests just months after his 2013 appointment.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/19/pope-francis-victims-church-sexual-abuse-slander-chile
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Don't be sad, he was as just bad as any of his colleagues.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/11/world/europe/pope-francis-homophobic-slur.html
This was tbe same man that said being homosexual isn't a crime and doesn't merit persecution for it, albeit by the catholic creed being a sin.
An insult is only as long someone allows it to be.
Downvote away.
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It's just a religion, we strip it of any power if they misbehave.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Cultism is such a potent tendency of the human animal that new cults form spontaneously in the absence of established mythologies (or despite them). Fascism is a cult phenomenon, for instance, and the people vulnerable to such belief systems are unerringly broken in the same way that religious people are broken. It’s like someone scooped out the part of their brains responsible for maintaining epistemic norms and replaced it with oatmeal.
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Francis was known as a liberal reformer, making headlines across the globe by permitting the blessing of same-sex couples and promoting global action on climate change.
He was also known as the ceo of a homophobic and misogynist cult and for strolling around italy in a private helicopter.
He was outspoken about clergy abuse and called on the Catholic Church to “act decisively” against paedophile priests just months after his 2013 appointment.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/19/pope-francis-victims-church-sexual-abuse-slander-chile
wrote last edited by [email protected]“As if I could have taken a selfie or a photo while Karadima abused me and others and Juan Barros stood by watching it all,” tweeted Barros’s most vocal accuser, Juan Carlos Cruz. “These people are truly crazy, and the pontiff talks about atonement to the victims. Nothing has changed, and his plea for forgiveness is empty.”
Wasn't this then 6 months later:
Pope Francis begins purge at Chilean church over sex abuse scandal
Francis realized he had misjudged the Chilean situation after meeting with Cruz and reading the 2,300-page report compiled by two leading Vatican investigators about the depth of Chile’s scandal, which has devastated the credibility of the church in a once overwhelmingly Roman Catholic country in the pope’s native Latin America.
“A new day has begun in Chile’s Catholic Church!” tweeted Juan Carlos Cruz, the abuse survivor who denounced Barros for years and pressed for the Vatican to take action.
“I’m thrilled for all those who have fought to see this day,” he said. “The band of delinquent bishops … begins to disintegrate today.”
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/pope-francis-begins-purge-at-chilean-church-over-sex-abuse-scandal
https://apnews.com/article/33b208ef4bc84576a503b059629607dbSounds like you could maybe... forgive him... for making a mistake while attempting to cleanup the worst mess in modern catholic history?
But I'm not a catholic or religious at all
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Why is this pinned? This person was the CEO of a cult persuading people ghosts are real and manipulating them to give the cult money. Thanks god he's dead.
There's a time and place to be a euphoric neckbeard. This is neither.
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This was tbe same man that said being homosexual isn't a crime and doesn't merit persecution for it, albeit by the catholic creed being a sin.
An insult is only as long someone allows it to be.
Downvote away.
wrote last edited by [email protected]He did get a lot of things right:
Pope Francis says Trump 'is not a Christian,' Trump responds
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There's a time and place to be a euphoric neckbeard. This is neither.
The cult this guy is the internally appointed CEO of, does not spare people guilty of homosexuality even after their dead: they are to be damned for the rest of the eternity.
A pinned post where people are praising him to me looks like the right time and place to remind people about the shady shit this guy was involved in.
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Yes, but if the next one is a little better, and the next one, and the next one...
The church evolves very slowly.
If politics is anything to take a pattern from, things will get slightly better, but those moments of hope are followed by gigantic steps backwards.
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I am surpringly annoyed about Americans somehow finding a way to make this about themselves
And turning it into politics, because there is no otger way to talk about things
Sure, discussing politics is important to some degree, but it isn't the most important thing in our lifes
One of the most important persons in the world (atleast for catholics) has died. We shouldn't laugh about it. We shouldn't politicize it. We shouldn't take it to any other context.
I'm surprised and sad at the same time. Even tho i like edgy memes and memes about Pope John Paul II (he is a legend in Poland and polish community do meme about him but in a very respectful way), i really find it bad to do so about Pope Francis right now - so i dislike any post like this
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The cult this guy is the internally appointed CEO of, does not spare people guilty of homosexuality even after their dead: they are to be damned for the rest of the eternity.
A pinned post where people are praising him to me looks like the right time and place to remind people about the shady shit this guy was involved in.
Yeah yeah yeah you've spammed the same thing all over the thread and I don't give a fuck. We all know the issues with religion.
It's already been shown elsewhere you're sensationalizing old stories to turn another person's death into your soapbox. It's crass, and it turns people away from your message. If you're going to use someone's death as a jumping-off point for pointless masturbatory anti-religious rhetoric, be prepared for people to see it for what it is and you for what you are. Or at least use a fucking thesaurus dude.
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Yeah. It's more than annoying, especially as it's the same old Vance joke again and again and again.
Which isn't even clever.I am not a Christian by any means but I worked with them quite often. Francis did change a lot of things and while he wasn't in no way perfect - he did have his drawbacks, for a fucking pope he was much better than anyone before him within the last few hundred years.
People (especially on the internet)nowadays expect other people, especially political leaders to "check all their boxes" and if one thing is not going as far as they want, they are alienated.Often I have the impression that as long as someone is not going "all the way" in the right direction they are seen as bad as someone who does not do anything at all or goes in the wrong direction. (Which is ironic because the church itself has evolved past the "saint or sinner" directive)
Francis has been going in the right direction probably 60% of the way and 10% in the wrong direction. Is the Catholic church there yet? No.
Is there a big chance it might turn back? Yes.
Would he been elected if he was so reformist it was sure he would topple everything and go 100%? Surely not.But he did much more than any of his predecessors did.
Any much more most commenters do.
Besides: It's okay to feel sorry for an old man dying. That's called fucking compassion.
I work in healthcare and have seen a lot of people die. I feel sorry for almost all of them.In the end a human has died. Period.
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This is sad. He was indeed a great pope. But, WTF did JD do?
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It sure feels like the tides are turning conservative everywhere, but apparently a Filipino progressive is a favorite to be next
wrote last edited by [email protected]I think in terms of the church the term "conservative" does not necessarily align with the political understanding. The largest shift in the church is demographic. White Europeans are loosing power rapidly in the catholic church. Subsequently the catholic church will align less and less with "Western" conservatives, and their imperialist understanding of geopolitics.
I expect to see much more opposition of "christian conservative" politicians in Europe towards the catholic church.
Ironically just yesterday the president of the German federal parliament of the "christian conservative" CDU told the Churches to shut up about politics. -
The homophobic slurs should also be a reminder that the catholic church is a homophobic cult.
If your concept of a religious institution that has more than a billion people listening to it is reduced to "homophobic cult", how does that differ from being part of a "bigoted cult" because you condemn people based on your simplistic understanding of their religion?
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If your concept of a religious institution that has more than a billion people listening to it is reduced to "homophobic cult", how does that differ from being part of a "bigoted cult" because you condemn people based on your simplistic understanding of their religion?
The catholic church is indeed a homophobic cult that condemns homophobia as a sins for which you get punished in hell, having million of followers or being popular doesn't change the fact. Scientology has millions of followers are we going to give them any credibility because of that?
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The catholic church is indeed a homophobic cult that condemns homophobia as a sins for which you get punished in hell, having million of followers or being popular doesn't change the fact. Scientology has millions of followers are we going to give them any credibility because of that?
How does your sentiment differ from someone who would say:
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catholic churchLGBT is indeed ahomophobicsinful cult that condemnshomophobia as a sins for which you get punished in hellreligion as being a homophobic cult, having million of followers or being popular doesn’t change the fact.You take the broadest brush and just stroke over everything, instead of being willing to accept any nuance.
