Is there like a cheat code for dating apps?
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Which plays into how you present yourself vs how you look in general.
Ok, obviously people being attracted to you is a huge plus but there are plenty of average and even below average dudes out there with amazing women. Why?
Because they're typically genuinely nice, caring dudes that don't treat women like some mountain to be summited.
You want to know how to have enjoyable relationships with women? Maybe try actually being friends with a woman; no ulterior motives. Just find a friend and nurture that friendship. It's incredibly easy to be around women when you don't tack a bunch of sexual bullshit onto every situation involving them.
Inevitably, you'll either find a suitable partner organically or you'll be introduced to someone that meshes well with you.
Women make up 50% of the population. If you can't have a normal interaction or a friendship with them, that's a problem that requires you to look inward to resolve.
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Good photos. Not shitty selfies. Have your friends take “candid” photos of you doing stuff. They’re not actually candid, they’re fully thought out and planned.
Have your friends take “candid” photos of you doing stuff. They’re not actually candid, they’re fully thought out and planned.
In all seriousness, I don't think I could ever do that.
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32m here and ive been on dating apps for over 10 years and think they've gotten worse since the whole swiping algorithm. I always do max swipes daily on fb dating, tinder, and bumble with minimum to no success. Tinder being the worst of the three. Ik irl is better, I just am not good at it with social anxiety and overthinking. Anybody find what works on these apps if you're an average looking man?
Never used any apps but I've gotten some decent connections and a few meetups from craigslist (back when when it had personals ads) and (believe it or not) more recently, reddit. Just write literate messages that are responsive to what the other person wrote, instead of being generic.
Also, proofread your responses very thoroughly before sending. Make sure that the grammar and punctuation is all perfect. The slightest error can be a huge negative in how well your response is received. Why is that? I don't know. But I've seen multiple people comment on this. Some have come out and told me that they responded to me because of it. It really matters.
Reddit has apparently just ditched its PM system in favor of a chat system. That seems pretty terrible for those of us who prefer to write carefully.
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As a woman my advice is as follows: be a decent and caring human being who does something positive for others on a daily basis. Needy and deceptive behavior drives away people who are attracted to you.
This is a good idea in general, however this doesn't help when it comes to getting the first interest, because how can you tell if someone is really genuine about caring from a few words on a profile?
But yeah, my girlfriend wanted to start dating me not because I am the most attractive person, but because I am always nice to her and to people in general. To me it seems crazy to not be, but I guess not everyone is like that.
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Have your friends take “candid” photos of you doing stuff. They’re not actually candid, they’re fully thought out and planned.
In all seriousness, I don't think I could ever do that.
Are they really your friends if they wouldn't help you with that?
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Have your friends take “candid” photos of you doing stuff. They’re not actually candid, they’re fully thought out and planned.
In all seriousness, I don't think I could ever do that.
Even if you can't manage staging something like that, even just asking a friend to help you take some pictures will up your odds significantly. The pictures are going to be the first thing most people see on your profile so having a friend help find good angles and such will be really helpful
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32m here and ive been on dating apps for over 10 years and think they've gotten worse since the whole swiping algorithm. I always do max swipes daily on fb dating, tinder, and bumble with minimum to no success. Tinder being the worst of the three. Ik irl is better, I just am not good at it with social anxiety and overthinking. Anybody find what works on these apps if you're an average looking man?
Short answer: pay them. These apps have made themselves the barrier to human interaction and will put you in front of more people if you pay them. If you're online dating then you're playing a numbers game and the best way to win a numbers game is playing as much as possible
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It's
- Be attractive
- Don't be unattractive
Just not being ugly isn't enough, you gotta be actively hot.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I'm not hot. I'm not ugly, but also not hot and had plenty of dates from dating apps when I was on them.
Good job, not a slob, decent bio, and quality photos of myself.
I was also really selective in who I swiped on. I didn't swipe right on every hot chick. I swiped right on girls I found attractive and best guess from profile lifestyles were similar.
I went out with plenty of attractive women, hooked up with a handful and dated a few. I also went out on plenty of bad dates, the girl who carried a dead lizard she found on the ground. The autistic racist. The girl with gnarly teeth.
Then I randomly met my wife through a coworker.
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This is a good idea in general, however this doesn't help when it comes to getting the first interest, because how can you tell if someone is really genuine about caring from a few words on a profile?
But yeah, my girlfriend wanted to start dating me not because I am the most attractive person, but because I am always nice to her and to people in general. To me it seems crazy to not be, but I guess not everyone is like that.
It is not your words but your actions that indicates that you are caring and first interest is not rational for anyone so no point in trying to game it as it only comes off as non-genuine.
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32m here and ive been on dating apps for over 10 years and think they've gotten worse since the whole swiping algorithm. I always do max swipes daily on fb dating, tinder, and bumble with minimum to no success. Tinder being the worst of the three. Ik irl is better, I just am not good at it with social anxiety and overthinking. Anybody find what works on these apps if you're an average looking man?
Swiping right "too much" lowers your hidden "social score" which determines who you are shown to
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Swiping right "too much" lowers your hidden "social score" which determines who you are shown to
I don't swipe right all the time but I'm also not super picky
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32m here and ive been on dating apps for over 10 years and think they've gotten worse since the whole swiping algorithm. I always do max swipes daily on fb dating, tinder, and bumble with minimum to no success. Tinder being the worst of the three. Ik irl is better, I just am not good at it with social anxiety and overthinking. Anybody find what works on these apps if you're an average looking man?
wrote last edited by [email protected]Online dating is for the birds. Meet me IRL or don't meet me at all.*
* currently here, btw
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32m here and ive been on dating apps for over 10 years and think they've gotten worse since the whole swiping algorithm. I always do max swipes daily on fb dating, tinder, and bumble with minimum to no success. Tinder being the worst of the three. Ik irl is better, I just am not good at it with social anxiety and overthinking. Anybody find what works on these apps if you're an average looking man?
The uninstall button. That's where the real magic happens.
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Are they really your friends if they wouldn't help you with that?
They probably would if I asked. I wouldn't ask.
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As a woman my advice is as follows: be a decent and caring human being who does something positive for others on a daily basis. Needy and deceptive behavior drives away people who are attracted to you.
True but OP's question was about dating apps, where the other person is shown your picture and prewritten blurb, and spends at most a few seconds deciding whether to swipe left or right. I can very easily understand a swipe-right ratio of well under 1%. So I think the question was about how to get past that.
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32m here and ive been on dating apps for over 10 years and think they've gotten worse since the whole swiping algorithm. I always do max swipes daily on fb dating, tinder, and bumble with minimum to no success. Tinder being the worst of the three. Ik irl is better, I just am not good at it with social anxiety and overthinking. Anybody find what works on these apps if you're an average looking man?
I've had pretty good success with online dating in the past, and my current long-term relationship (3.5 years) is a lovely woman I met on Tinder. When we first matched, neither of us was looking for something long-term. For me, it helped to look at dating apps as just a first impression, which means you don't want to overwhelm someone with your profile. My advice is going to be tailored to Tinder, because it's where I had the most success. That's probably due to sheer volume though. It also worked on Bumble, but I have no experience with FB Dating, so I can't speak to that.
When selecting pictures to use, there's a couple things I would suggest.
•Always include multiple pictures with friends or family. People swiping on your profile will want to know that you have a social life, and you'll probably look happier in pictures with others.
•Try to also include pictures that reveal a hobby or interest of yours rather than talk about it in your bio. I'll elaborate on this point later.
•Be honest and kind to yourself and think about what makes you attractive to others. Personally, I've been told that my laugh is infectious, so I went with a candid picture of myself laughing with my friends. Dates have specifically pointed that picture out as the one that sold them on me. There's something that sets you apart, you just have to identify it.
•You don't have to completely avoid pictures of yourself alone or selfies, but you have to be intentioned when including these. Is it a picture where you look really good? Is the composition of the photo interesting or different? Does it show off your flair or sense of style? Is it one of the aforementioned hobby photos? If you can't answer yes to at least one of these questions, it probably shouldn't be included. A picture with just you is going to lead to heightened scrutiny of the only subject that is of any interest to someone looking at your profile: you. Make sure it showcases you well.I personally like to keep the bio short and sweet. The point of the bio is to give them enough information to want to know more about me. They don't need my life story, and they probably don't want to read a wall of text. If you match, you want to give them space to ask questions about you so that the conversation doesn't go stale. If they can look it all up in your bio, it becomes redundant to ask. To that end, my own bio was only two lines: my height and a statement that was funny and personal. I always included my height because I'm on the shorter side (5'7) and I know it's a dealbreaker for some. I'm fine with that, since I'm not trying to waste their time or my time. The second line was "My mom cuts my hair." It's true, and to me it was funny in an unexpected way. It also revealed that I have a good relationship with my mother. However, I later learned that some people just thought it was a joke, so maybe it didn't come across the way I intended. You could definitely find something that works for you in between the wall of text and my completely barebones bio.
Lastly, and this might not be the easiest because you mentioned having social anxiety, but you should be looking to go on a physical date as soon as possible. It's where I really got to know the people that I matched with, and let me better figure out whether it was someone I could see myself in a relationship with. An in-person date doesn't have to mean something serious. I prefer coffee dates, which I've read that some women see as a sign that you're not serious about them or a cheapskate. I'm here to tell you that those women don't exist, or at least never did for me 3.5+ years ago, so don't worry about it. It's a casual setting where either party can leave if they're not feeling it, and many people appreciate that. If the date goes well enough, it can swing into lunch or dinner pretty easily. Dating is a skill, and it's a pretty different skillset than being in a relationship. The only way to improve at dating is to actually go on dates, so push yourself to ask for them. Chances are, if they're still messaging you back after a day or two, they're interested enough to go on a date.
I tried to be as comprehensive as possible, but please let me know if there's anything you want further clarification on. I'd be happy to help, and I'm rooting for you
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32m here and ive been on dating apps for over 10 years and think they've gotten worse since the whole swiping algorithm. I always do max swipes daily on fb dating, tinder, and bumble with minimum to no success. Tinder being the worst of the three. Ik irl is better, I just am not good at it with social anxiety and overthinking. Anybody find what works on these apps if you're an average looking man?
Absolutely. It's Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start. But you didn't hear it from me.
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I've had pretty good success with online dating in the past, and my current long-term relationship (3.5 years) is a lovely woman I met on Tinder. When we first matched, neither of us was looking for something long-term. For me, it helped to look at dating apps as just a first impression, which means you don't want to overwhelm someone with your profile. My advice is going to be tailored to Tinder, because it's where I had the most success. That's probably due to sheer volume though. It also worked on Bumble, but I have no experience with FB Dating, so I can't speak to that.
When selecting pictures to use, there's a couple things I would suggest.
•Always include multiple pictures with friends or family. People swiping on your profile will want to know that you have a social life, and you'll probably look happier in pictures with others.
•Try to also include pictures that reveal a hobby or interest of yours rather than talk about it in your bio. I'll elaborate on this point later.
•Be honest and kind to yourself and think about what makes you attractive to others. Personally, I've been told that my laugh is infectious, so I went with a candid picture of myself laughing with my friends. Dates have specifically pointed that picture out as the one that sold them on me. There's something that sets you apart, you just have to identify it.
•You don't have to completely avoid pictures of yourself alone or selfies, but you have to be intentioned when including these. Is it a picture where you look really good? Is the composition of the photo interesting or different? Does it show off your flair or sense of style? Is it one of the aforementioned hobby photos? If you can't answer yes to at least one of these questions, it probably shouldn't be included. A picture with just you is going to lead to heightened scrutiny of the only subject that is of any interest to someone looking at your profile: you. Make sure it showcases you well.I personally like to keep the bio short and sweet. The point of the bio is to give them enough information to want to know more about me. They don't need my life story, and they probably don't want to read a wall of text. If you match, you want to give them space to ask questions about you so that the conversation doesn't go stale. If they can look it all up in your bio, it becomes redundant to ask. To that end, my own bio was only two lines: my height and a statement that was funny and personal. I always included my height because I'm on the shorter side (5'7) and I know it's a dealbreaker for some. I'm fine with that, since I'm not trying to waste their time or my time. The second line was "My mom cuts my hair." It's true, and to me it was funny in an unexpected way. It also revealed that I have a good relationship with my mother. However, I later learned that some people just thought it was a joke, so maybe it didn't come across the way I intended. You could definitely find something that works for you in between the wall of text and my completely barebones bio.
Lastly, and this might not be the easiest because you mentioned having social anxiety, but you should be looking to go on a physical date as soon as possible. It's where I really got to know the people that I matched with, and let me better figure out whether it was someone I could see myself in a relationship with. An in-person date doesn't have to mean something serious. I prefer coffee dates, which I've read that some women see as a sign that you're not serious about them or a cheapskate. I'm here to tell you that those women don't exist, or at least never did for me 3.5+ years ago, so don't worry about it. It's a casual setting where either party can leave if they're not feeling it, and many people appreciate that. If the date goes well enough, it can swing into lunch or dinner pretty easily. Dating is a skill, and it's a pretty different skillset than being in a relationship. The only way to improve at dating is to actually go on dates, so push yourself to ask for them. Chances are, if they're still messaging you back after a day or two, they're interested enough to go on a date.
I tried to be as comprehensive as possible, but please let me know if there's anything you want further clarification on. I'd be happy to help, and I'm rooting for you
Thank you. Appreciate the advice
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32m here and ive been on dating apps for over 10 years and think they've gotten worse since the whole swiping algorithm. I always do max swipes daily on fb dating, tinder, and bumble with minimum to no success. Tinder being the worst of the three. Ik irl is better, I just am not good at it with social anxiety and overthinking. Anybody find what works on these apps if you're an average looking man?
- Be attractive.
- Don't be unattractive.
If that fails, try being filthy rich.
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I've had pretty good success with online dating in the past, and my current long-term relationship (3.5 years) is a lovely woman I met on Tinder. When we first matched, neither of us was looking for something long-term. For me, it helped to look at dating apps as just a first impression, which means you don't want to overwhelm someone with your profile. My advice is going to be tailored to Tinder, because it's where I had the most success. That's probably due to sheer volume though. It also worked on Bumble, but I have no experience with FB Dating, so I can't speak to that.
When selecting pictures to use, there's a couple things I would suggest.
•Always include multiple pictures with friends or family. People swiping on your profile will want to know that you have a social life, and you'll probably look happier in pictures with others.
•Try to also include pictures that reveal a hobby or interest of yours rather than talk about it in your bio. I'll elaborate on this point later.
•Be honest and kind to yourself and think about what makes you attractive to others. Personally, I've been told that my laugh is infectious, so I went with a candid picture of myself laughing with my friends. Dates have specifically pointed that picture out as the one that sold them on me. There's something that sets you apart, you just have to identify it.
•You don't have to completely avoid pictures of yourself alone or selfies, but you have to be intentioned when including these. Is it a picture where you look really good? Is the composition of the photo interesting or different? Does it show off your flair or sense of style? Is it one of the aforementioned hobby photos? If you can't answer yes to at least one of these questions, it probably shouldn't be included. A picture with just you is going to lead to heightened scrutiny of the only subject that is of any interest to someone looking at your profile: you. Make sure it showcases you well.I personally like to keep the bio short and sweet. The point of the bio is to give them enough information to want to know more about me. They don't need my life story, and they probably don't want to read a wall of text. If you match, you want to give them space to ask questions about you so that the conversation doesn't go stale. If they can look it all up in your bio, it becomes redundant to ask. To that end, my own bio was only two lines: my height and a statement that was funny and personal. I always included my height because I'm on the shorter side (5'7) and I know it's a dealbreaker for some. I'm fine with that, since I'm not trying to waste their time or my time. The second line was "My mom cuts my hair." It's true, and to me it was funny in an unexpected way. It also revealed that I have a good relationship with my mother. However, I later learned that some people just thought it was a joke, so maybe it didn't come across the way I intended. You could definitely find something that works for you in between the wall of text and my completely barebones bio.
Lastly, and this might not be the easiest because you mentioned having social anxiety, but you should be looking to go on a physical date as soon as possible. It's where I really got to know the people that I matched with, and let me better figure out whether it was someone I could see myself in a relationship with. An in-person date doesn't have to mean something serious. I prefer coffee dates, which I've read that some women see as a sign that you're not serious about them or a cheapskate. I'm here to tell you that those women don't exist, or at least never did for me 3.5+ years ago, so don't worry about it. It's a casual setting where either party can leave if they're not feeling it, and many people appreciate that. If the date goes well enough, it can swing into lunch or dinner pretty easily. Dating is a skill, and it's a pretty different skillset than being in a relationship. The only way to improve at dating is to actually go on dates, so push yourself to ask for them. Chances are, if they're still messaging you back after a day or two, they're interested enough to go on a date.
I tried to be as comprehensive as possible, but please let me know if there's anything you want further clarification on. I'd be happy to help, and I'm rooting for you
Good advice. I also would say for me it was just the speed of going from a match to a Meetup. Text was always dishonest and just spending an hour over a drinks or something told me everything I needed to know. Id rather cast into the strange and know vs getting all the right texts.
