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Which password manager to use?

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  • V [email protected]

    I currently use KeepassXC that is synced through NextCloud. The sync isn't very elegant, especially on my phone. So I'm looking for a new password manager, which has a native server sync support that I can self host. What do y'all recommend?

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    Vaultwarden is perfect imo

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    • V [email protected]

      I currently use KeepassXC that is synced through NextCloud. The sync isn't very elegant, especially on my phone. So I'm looking for a new password manager, which has a native server sync support that I can self host. What do y'all recommend?

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      #37

      If you can't self host --> KeePass
      If you can self host --> Vaultwarden

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      • V [email protected]

        I currently use KeepassXC that is synced through NextCloud. The sync isn't very elegant, especially on my phone. So I'm looking for a new password manager, which has a native server sync support that I can self host. What do y'all recommend?

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        I use KeepassXC on desktop, KeepassDX on my phone and keep it all synced with Syncthing. Works great

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        • F [email protected]

          If you can't self host --> KeePass
          If you can self host --> Vaultwarden

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          Is VW audited in the same way that BW is?

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          • F [email protected]

            If you can't self host --> KeePass
            If you can self host --> Vaultwarden

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            I hear good thing about Vaultwarden, but the web UI is horrible.

            Vaultwarden's web UI is very confusing, especially the search feature. And it's difficult to move items between folders/collection. The desktop app is available as DEB/RPM package but without auto-update, which isn't great.

            Fon now I'm sticking to KeepassXC because the app my distribution has a package for it and allows auto-update. The UI works well, and it has decent browser integration.

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            • S [email protected]

              Just to play devils advocate. Bitwarden.com is a much more valuable target. My instance is behind a VPN. I think its actually far more likely Bitwarden will have a breach similar to LastPass then I will. But I agree with you mostly.

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              The data stored on Bitwarden's servers is completely encrypted though, which means a breach will not yield useful data, unlike the plain text storage for LastPass.

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                I hear good thing about Vaultwarden, but the web UI is horrible.

                Vaultwarden's web UI is very confusing, especially the search feature. And it's difficult to move items between folders/collection. The desktop app is available as DEB/RPM package but without auto-update, which isn't great.

                Fon now I'm sticking to KeepassXC because the app my distribution has a package for it and allows auto-update. The UI works well, and it has decent browser integration.

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                Vaultwarden is not to be used in itself you can for example use the bitwarden app but with your vaultwarden server

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                • A [email protected]

                  Is VW audited in the same way that BW is?

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                  #43

                  Really I don't know, surely a bit less but in my opinion, not that much

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                  • asap@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                    The data stored on Bitwarden's servers is completely encrypted though, which means a breach will not yield useful data, unlike the plain text storage for LastPass.

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                    Yes I agree. I was just offering a counter to the statement that Vaultwarden isnt as safe as Bitwarden. They both are encrypted but my vaultwarden instance is a lot less likely to experience a breach than Bitwarden. The guys with real skill are going after Bitwarden not me.

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                    • F [email protected]

                      Vaultwarden is not to be used in itself you can for example use the bitwarden app but with your vaultwarden server

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                      You're right. I was referring to the bitwarden app above. See https://github.com/bitwarden/desktop

                      It's an electron app, and there's no auto-update solution for DEB packages (ie no DEB repo for apt auto update).

                      Some people are probably happy with it, but I prefer KeepassXC which is more lightweight (ie not electron based) and can auto update via APT.

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                      • V [email protected]

                        I currently use KeepassXC that is synced through NextCloud. The sync isn't very elegant, especially on my phone. So I'm looking for a new password manager, which has a native server sync support that I can self host. What do y'all recommend?

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                        Hackers have increased their focus on cracking password managers by extracting data from RAM and registry, compromising local and cloud storage.

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                          Is VW audited in the same way that BW is?

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                          I'm not completely sure, but doesn't Bitwarden encrypt all data before it reaches the server? That means the server implementation is a bit less important. I guess you probably don't want to be leaking even encrypted databases though since there is a chance they could be cracked.

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                          • mrmule@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                            2nding the Bitwarden, absolutely love it. I moved from LastPass years ago and never looked back.

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                            3rded moving from LastPass to Bitwarden and never looking back. I got out when LogMeIn got in.

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                            • arkhive@lemmy.blahaj.zoneA [email protected]

                              I also use Unix pass and self host a git repo over Tailscale to keep it synced across devices. Works like a charm so long as I remember to push whenever I edit a password somewhere.

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                              One of the big flaws of snapshot-based VCSs like get is the patch order mattering—which causes conflicts. I would love to see an alternative built on Darcs or Pijul with their Patch Theory-based VCS system that does not have the flaws Git does.

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                                One of the big flaws of snapshot-based VCSs like get is the patch order mattering—which causes conflicts. I would love to see an alternative built on Darcs or Pijul with their Patch Theory-based VCS system that does not have the flaws Git does.

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                                Yeah agreed. I borked my repo a couple times and needed to rollback changes, re-sync everything, and resubmit changes. It was a bit scary, but that’s also kind of the beauty of the system, is it’s just files in a folder. I could move the conflicting files out, do a push/pull and then move the files back in and push. The biggest part is getting in the habit of doing a pull before I make any local changes on a device.

                                I haven’t heard of the tools you mentioned, but you’ve got me curious, so I’ll definitely be looking into them and a potential fix. I’m sure I could automate things with some simple scripting, but until I make my final move off iOS I’m sort of stuck with the clunky Unix Pass app on that OS which causes most of my issues.

                                Presumably you could just target the passwordstore folder with any version control, Unix Pass just has some git interaction built in.

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                                • V [email protected]

                                  I currently use KeepassXC that is synced through NextCloud. The sync isn't very elegant, especially on my phone. So I'm looking for a new password manager, which has a native server sync support that I can self host. What do y'all recommend?

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                                  There’s a lot of arguments for one solution or the other based on security or privacy, but let me present a different scenario:

                                  Imagine you’re in a natural disaster. Your home based self hosted server is down because of a general rolling network outage or just irrecoverably destroyed. Your offsite on the other side of the county is in a similar state. Can your cloud hosted backup be accessed at generic, public computer in a shelter or public building?

                                  Bitwarden can. It has specific instructions for doing so as safely as possible.

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                                  • V [email protected]

                                    I currently use KeepassXC that is synced through NextCloud. The sync isn't very elegant, especially on my phone. So I'm looking for a new password manager, which has a native server sync support that I can self host. What do y'all recommend?

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                                    Selfhosted VaultWarden with Bitwarden browser apps and KeyGuard on my phone, which I like better than the Bitwarden app.

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                                    • V [email protected]

                                      I currently use KeepassXC that is synced through NextCloud. The sync isn't very elegant, especially on my phone. So I'm looking for a new password manager, which has a native server sync support that I can self host. What do y'all recommend?

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                                      I used to be a rabid advocate of self hosting password managers, and was switching between Vaultwarden and KeepassXC every few months. But Proton offered a lifetime subscription to Proton Pass with unlimited Simple login aliases, and I bought it now use this exclusively.

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                                      • V [email protected]

                                        I currently use KeepassXC that is synced through NextCloud. The sync isn't very elegant, especially on my phone. So I'm looking for a new password manager, which has a native server sync support that I can self host. What do y'all recommend?

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                                        Big fan of Keeppass + syncing program of choice. It has served me well for years.

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                                        • K [email protected]

                                          I haven't seen it mentioned here so I'll throw it out there - 1Password. It's just a very smooth experience that I really appreciate.

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                                          Agreed. The experience is so easy and well integrated that it has been trivial to get my whole family on it. Being open source would be very nice though. That lack of transparency due to closed source is my only real gripe with it.

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