Questions about switching from iOS to GrapheneOS
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How do you use microg with graphene? I thought this was ubsupported.
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I recently made the switch myself. I do use multiple profiles but I don't think it's required for me. I was curious to see how it all works. I may end up switching to a work profile instead.
I have google play on my main profile mostly for notifications for WhatsApp etc. A banking profile so that banking details are isolated, and anoyher profile for apps I need that I don't use often and prefer to not have in my main. In a lot of videos its advsed to not use profiles to begin with as I causes a lot of friction and that makes adoption harder. You can always begin using profiles later on.I am not logged into GPS and it only has network permissions. I connect via NextDNS and there is so little background traffic in thw logs, it's a refreshing sight.
I have yet to find anything I could do on iOS that i can't on Graphene. I install most apps via obtainium and the other few that I can't via aurora store.
I use OSS apps whenever possible. -
It is not
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Use a third party e-mail client
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On the graphene website, I would recommend reading their full "Features" page. It explains a lot.
In addition also look at /e/os/ as well. I am currently de googling from my primary phone to a secondary phone (on my old phone; I flashed /e/os/ on it. And it have no Google apps. They have micro g integration built in. And I use "shelter" to create a work profile to isolate the apps that are not privacy focussed and they forever live in that sandbox, and you can turn off and on those apps with one click".) Changing my email address to govt/doctors/etc. And backing up data from google account is taking the longest before I disable that completely.
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Wait, I am new to GrapheneOS and the profiles are a real hindrance. I've seen nothing on "work/personal" sub profiles within something like the "owners" profile. That would be a game changer.
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I think switching from iOS to GrapheneOS doesn't massively improve your privacy. However it improve your freedom and the control you have on your device. Privacy takes education if you install GrapheneOS and link it to your Google Account and use invasive apps that are not needed to be that so (like a calculator app that access your Pictures and geolocation) will not improve drastically over iOS but will a bit over Stock Android. But unlike iOS you can use you're phone without accounts and that's huge.
Where did you see that banking app only works on the main profile ?
I personnaly use a seperated user profile for all banking related apps and it just works with the Play Services installed and not signed in getting apps through Aurora Store. Seperated user profile is not conveniante to use daily. If you want quick access to your banking apps you could use a Work Profile, setting it up with the FOSS app Shelter. You can installed the Play Services and the Play Store if needed to that profile and limits some of their permission (some are required for it work properly)I do backup manually of what I feel is important so I won't recommend you anything. However if I remember correctly WhatsApp let you do backup only on Google Drive if you're on Android and iCloud if you're on an iPhone.
I wouldn't buy a 7A because of security updates ending in 2028 which is in 3 years already and the battery is worse than the newer models. While the 8 series is ending support in 2030 and 2031 for the 8A.
Keep in mind that iPhone are premium devices while Pixel A are midrange, it's a bit like the SE from Apple. Phone are getting expensive and if I were you I would wait to get lower price on the 8A or 8Pro.Yeah Pixel Camera is amazing for photography, while lacking behind competition in Portrait Mode (used to be the best) and videos (iPhone are much better). But this is mainly thanks to the Google proprietary camera app. Phone photography is good only thanks to the algorithmes processing the images the hardware isn't that great. You can still use the stock Secure Camera from Graphene and get good results in great lighting condition however installing Google Camera through AuroraStore or the PlayStore directly will give you better results. But it come with drawbacks as it only support Google Photos to open your previous shots from the camera app. It also asks for Play Services but someone told in the comment that is not the case so maybe it has changed since I did. There is an open source app that fakes the Play Services for Google Camera to work without asking questions. It's called GCam Services Provider (Photos), you can also bypass the Google Photos limitation by using GCam Photos Preview but this one is a bit clunky to be honest, I hope it will get updated but doesn't seems to.
You can also install modded GCam to bypass all of this but this come with it's own risk and is mainly focus on non-Pixel devices. But if you really want to try here is a trusted ressources.This is a valid question and I hope we will be able to live our digital lives without being so dependant from Google or Apple. A great start is by switching to FOSS apps when possible, it's not a magic solution and come with limitations but as of today it's my goal even if I still use proprietary app for my bank for exemple.
Since you come from iOS I want to point out that there is Goodwy that's maintaining amazing foss apps forked from SimpleMobileTools (now Fossify Tools) and applied an Apple inspired UI, you might feel more at home with his apps. Mention to Right Gallery, Right Contact, Right Dialer, Right Messages and Right Files. The apps are asking for internet permission but it's for paying the premium fee to unlock all feature (you are not forced to pay to unlock them). I made a donation using Bitcoin to the dev because he's doing great work and never allow the app to have internet permission thanks to GrapheneOS feature.
There is a fairly great ammount on ressources on AlternativeTo regarding Android apps I myself made a couple of list you might want to take a quick look :
- A clean Android setup with the best apps (mostly open source)
- Beautiful Open Source Apps for Android (nice & modern UI/UX) Some apps are not updated anymore!
- The ultimate F-Droid setup (300+ Apps) Need to be updated!
- My privacy & user friendly setup [Dec. 2022] Need to be updated!
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Microg pairs best with LineageOS. I've done both and I prefer the GrapheneOS sandbox.
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try molly
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[...] I’d like to be able to backup to my home server. The main thing would probably just be my photos [...]
For the photos, since you have a home server, have you heard of Immich? For anything else, there was a time when I could have recommended syncthing-android, but development on that has been discontinued, though you can still try using it. Some privacy-conscious cloud services may allow you to sync app folders, backing up WhatsApp that way, but I have no experience with that.
is the 8a likely to drop much in price after that? I don’t know how quickly the prices drop but considering the 8a is currently £500 I can’t see it dropping to <£300
Instead of buying straight from Google, you can consider buying a refurbished 8a off ebay or something local - my last two Pixel purchases have been through that method. It tends to be substantially cheaper than buying new, even as little as 6 months after the product launch, and the 8a launched 9 months ago. Just be cautious of seller ratings, reputations, and consistency - prices are lower there because it's more of a risk for the buyer.
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Looks like there’s an iOS client for immich as well so I will give that a try! I’ll have a look on eBay, my only concern with not buying new would be battery longevity
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if you've happily consumed apple's offering up until now, you can just disable iCloud backups and that's it, nothing essentially changed for you - nobody's going to go through your phone. that remains as safe as it was a month ago.
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Thanks that’s very helpful. FYI the banking app info came from here: https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
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Working on abandoning the gmail accounts entirely tbh. Until then, the native gmail filtering (primary/social/promotions) keeps those inboxes usable. 10+ years of ad spam from signing up for shit... literally a hundred or so emails a day.
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You don't. I was unaware of the hardon gOS had against GmsCore.
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Well I’ve now ordered a pixel, I’ll let you know how it goes
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Great !
Consider using an e-mail aliases service such as addy.io or SimpleLogin to keep your new inbox clear from spam and never give that real address unless you feel like it's worth it.
