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DHS quietly eliminates ban on surveillance based on sexual orientation and gender identity

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  • florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneF [email protected]

    The DHS quietly updated its policy manual earlier this month, removing LGBTQ+ identities from the section prohibiting surveillance based solely on immutable characteristics.

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    Why is there a blacklist? I feel like it a list of reasons for surveillance should be a whitelist containing criminal activity.

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    • florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneF [email protected]

      The DHS quietly updated its policy manual earlier this month, removing LGBTQ+ identities from the section prohibiting surveillance based solely on immutable characteristics.

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      #8

      This is some Gestapo/Stasi shit.

      Like, all queer persons must go beyond Signal/Tor level.

      This extends to the physical world: Plan ahead for escape routes and survival networks.

      I will come back with this angle but, REMEMBER those mfers who always said "the NSA does not target you, so asking about ore than Signal is paranoid/futile if ever the NSA targets you"?

      REMEMBER that we said that some people have advanced threat models by default? Eg feminist activists, activists in third countries, queer people?

      WHO is paranoid now, that being queer, pro-Palestine, and/or climate activists can have you on the watchlist?

      This development only proves my previous points that the hordes of sock-puppets spamming the Privacy forum are fucking spooks. Pooping the conversation about advanced privacy and anonymity should qualify for permabans, IMHO.

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      • florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneF [email protected]

        The DHS quietly updated its policy manual earlier this month, removing LGBTQ+ identities from the section prohibiting surveillance based solely on immutable characteristics.

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        #9

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        • florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneF [email protected]

          The DHS quietly updated its policy manual earlier this month, removing LGBTQ+ identities from the section prohibiting surveillance based solely on immutable characteristics.

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          "I have nothing to hide!" their son in the closet

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            This is some Gestapo/Stasi shit.

            Like, all queer persons must go beyond Signal/Tor level.

            This extends to the physical world: Plan ahead for escape routes and survival networks.

            I will come back with this angle but, REMEMBER those mfers who always said "the NSA does not target you, so asking about ore than Signal is paranoid/futile if ever the NSA targets you"?

            REMEMBER that we said that some people have advanced threat models by default? Eg feminist activists, activists in third countries, queer people?

            WHO is paranoid now, that being queer, pro-Palestine, and/or climate activists can have you on the watchlist?

            This development only proves my previous points that the hordes of sock-puppets spamming the Privacy forum are fucking spooks. Pooping the conversation about advanced privacy and anonymity should qualify for permabans, IMHO.

            snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS This user is from outside of this forum
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            Used to be, just being interested in Linux could get you on a watchlist.

            https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-readers-get-flagged-extra-surveillance

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            • snotflickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneS [email protected]

              Used to be, just being interested in Linux could get you on a watchlist.

              https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extremist-forum-and-its-readers-get-flagged-extra-surveillance

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              Perhaps this explains why all these spook impostors are so vehemently against advanced privacy and anonymity. They are signaling they are the good ones!

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              • florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneF [email protected]

                The DHS quietly updated its policy manual earlier this month, removing LGBTQ+ identities from the section prohibiting surveillance based solely on immutable characteristics.

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                Let's be honest, they were already doing that. They're just getting brazen enough to not hide it anymore.

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                • florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneF [email protected]

                  The DHS quietly updated its policy manual earlier this month, removing LGBTQ+ identities from the section prohibiting surveillance based solely on immutable characteristics.

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                  What, were they surveiling you until they find out you're gay and then "no looksies?" They're surveiling all of us (and I for one am goddamn sick of it. Surveil that assholes!)

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                  • florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zoneF [email protected]

                    The DHS quietly updated its policy manual earlier this month, removing LGBTQ+ identities from the section prohibiting surveillance based solely on immutable characteristics.

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                    Deviant Olam posted an interesting video to Youtube about changes happening in prisons and makes a good point that the trans community make a convenient target for triggering a constitutional crisis.

                    You target a small, basically insignificant and harmless group, then ignore any court rulings while the media and public remain silent and disinterested. Its a pathway to uncontested executive power that can then be extended to persecution of other groups.

                    Arguing for privacy from government feels alarmist, distant and theoretical as long as there is rule of law and a sound participative democracy. But what happens to constitutional guarantees and legal protections if the courts lose their power and independence? Suddenly privacy becomes a very real pragmatic concern. Not only could you be in a targeted group but you could be guilty by association.

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                      What, were they surveiling you until they find out you're gay and then "no looksies?" They're surveiling all of us (and I for one am goddamn sick of it. Surveil that assholes!)

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                      They weren't allowed to surveil you because you're gay or trans. Now they are.

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                      • yozul@beehaw.orgY [email protected]

                        They weren't allowed to surveil you because you're gay or trans. Now they are.

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                        So they were allowed to surveil you for any other reason, even if you were trans or gay? Because in that case this changes nothing.

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                          So they were allowed to surveil you for any other reason, even if you were trans or gay? Because in that case this changes nothing.

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                          Yes to the first part, no to the second. For some reason people like to pretend that surveillance is a binary on or off thing, but that's gross oversimplification to the point of being more damaging than an actual lie. All the various government agencies collect whatever easy to find information about you there is to get, but that information is possible for you to have some control over, and it's too expensive for them to really properly process all of it. It's just some random bits of trivia about you sitting in a bunch of disconnected databases until somebody takes an interest in you. If they start to take an interest in you, they start coordinating their information and actually targeting you for more individualized information gathering. This is adding gay and trans people to that next level up of surveillance, and that absolutely does change things. Pretending nothing the government does matters and there's no point in even trying is maybe the most harmful lie you can spread. Please don't.

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                            "What Gender are you?"

                            "Yes"

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                            "I don't understand the question"

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