Is it me or Ubuntu secretly replaces DEB Firefox with Snap Firefox?

[beeng@discuss.tchncs.de]

I.... I.... I don't know why I haven't done that myself. (Am now on NixOS btw) but for work maybe I ask for Debian cloud box.

[morphit@feddit.uk]

w3m is a proper deb

Looks like only firefox, chromium-browser and thunderbird are these dummy transitional packages. There's a fwupd-snap, but the default fwupd is a full deb.

[morphit@feddit.uk]

Canonical added an epoch prefix to the firefox version number. Because that epoch (1) is higher than the implicit default (0), the official ubuntu dummy package is always considered to be a higher version than the official Mozilla package. apt doesn't look at snap packages, it installs the deb, but the ubuntu deb just runs snap install firefox and basically nothing else.

[baaahb@feddit.nl]

Yep, I am agreeing with you. The statement was never snap and deb are identical, its that canonical is making them do identical things.

[beeng@discuss.tchncs.de]

My work cannot manage permissions well so I cannot remove snap Firefox cos its in use by another user.

Meanwhile current snap version of Firefox is crashing on my profile

[phar@lemmy.ml]

And there are still other options!

[ritchie@lemmy.world]

I got a notification about it when I upgraded from 20.04 LTS that they will only serve it as a snap package.

[neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

For work, you could also try Fedora Workstation or Linux Mint Debian Edition. Debian is pretty barebones, but if that isnt a bother then do whatever.

[ritchie@lemmy.world]

I must have hit that 1% last time. I assembled a new PC, wanted to install debian and could not get a login screen after installation. At that point I wanted something that just works. I installed Xubuntu and had the machine ready right away.

[beeng@discuss.tchncs.de]

I would like to stay with apt as package manager so the package names stay the same to what I know, or is yum/dnf/etc gonna use the same for most?

[ritchie@lemmy.world]

I have a laptop that needs a proprietary wifi driver. I just "love" it when the debian net installer works out of the box, but after first boot wifi dies because the driver is missing in the installed instance I need to find a lan cable, do some athletics to get to the router, then install the driver and only then I can connect via wifi

[daggermoon@lemmy.world]

Is KDE Neon still broken? For awhile it was the only Ubuntu based distro I'd recommend. Yes, I know about Mint but no HDR or Wayland.

[morphit@feddit.uk]

Yeah, I just liked that bit of the meme. In the prank the meme is based on, they really are the same.

[morphit@feddit.uk]

Yeah, I really dislike snap and have puppet clean it out and add in the real mozilla repo for me. If I wanted sandboxed apps I'd probably look at flatpak but I think there's still work to be done there also.

[neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

Mostly the same, and if not all it has taken for me to figure it out was searching "fedora $pkgname"

[notabot@lemm.ee]

It just occured to me that if you want to use Ubuntu without snap, you could uninstall the snap package itself (I'm not on Ubuntu, so you might need to find it), then put a 'hold' on the package to prevent it being reinstalled. That should, in turn, prevent any package versions that use snap from being installed.

Initially uninstalling snap might require removing any packages that use it, but that'll tell you what you need non-snap versions of.

[foobarrington@lemmy.world]

Yup. They also did this with Docker, and it broke my setup (and was a bitch to debug).

This was a couple of years ago, and I haven't used Ubuntu unless absolutely necessary (and then usually in a container).

[quazatron@lemmy.world]

Not a secret, but annoying as hell. I usually replace it with a Flatpak and uninstall Snap.

[mangocats@feddit.it]

Agreed, not a secret, and not wanted. I uninstall Firefox and install Google Chrome from a .deb - disadvantage: you have to update it manually. Advantage: it doesn't update itself automatically.

[mangocats@feddit.it]

Docker in a snap is too meta for me.