Germans, please go to vote!
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That's not voter suppression, it's a risk you take when moving outside of Germany. The German state can't guarantee that you can easily vote if you move outside of its jurisdiction.
It affects all kinds of people depending on mail in vote this time including some that live in Germany. The federal voting commission has even explicitly warned about it.
As there is a strong correlation between mail in votes and progressive voters, and it was the CDU that enforced this faster than actually possible election, it is a classic case of voter supression.
And that is only the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot of other subtile ways in how the German government suppresses votes from people that are not living in the same small German village the last 20 years or so.
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Sorry, but as someone who had their vote suppressed this time due to impossible short mail voting times (and this not being the first time) I have to sadly disagree. If you live abroad and not somewhere close to an German embassy, voting is usually not feasible without a lot of time and money involved.
People who live abroad permanently shouldn't be able to vote anyways. Also Dual Citizenship shouldn't be allowed
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It affects all kinds of people depending on mail in vote this time including some that live in Germany. The federal voting commission has even explicitly warned about it.
As there is a strong correlation between mail in votes and progressive voters, and it was the CDU that enforced this faster than actually possible election, it is a classic case of voter supression.
And that is only the tip of the iceberg. There are a lot of other subtile ways in how the German government suppresses votes from people that are not living in the same small German village the last 20 years or so.
including some that live in Germany.
No, the ballots were sent out on February 6th. That's plenty of time
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Yeah, and all that actually does is strengthen the AfD by making their talking points socially acceptable.
Yes, it does. You are right. But this doesn't change my initial statement.
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including some that live in Germany.
No, the ballots were sent out on February 6th. That's plenty of time
Talk about being priviledged without actively saying so
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Talk about being priviledged without actively saying so
Go explain me the privilege. I don't see it
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People who live abroad permanently shouldn't be able to vote anyways. Also Dual Citizenship shouldn't be allowed
You coudn't even get the documents to vote in time as the government surely doesn't use DHL Express, and DHL Express also doesn't cover a lot of places.
But anyways, I have the feeling that it is pointless to discuss with someone that is openly suggesting anti-constitutional and borderline racist things here.
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Yes, it does. You are right. But this doesn't change my initial statement.
Voting CDU is just not that different to voting AfD, that's the point.
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Look at last parliamentary election in CZ.
By increasing attendance by few percent we got rid of communist party which was in parliament from 1945...
I was arguing to non-voters who adopted a "my single vote doesn't matter" perspective. A single vote in a country is never a few percent.
If people already know and trust that their vote can add up with others to a few percent here or there, they would already go and vote in our system I feel.
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You coudn't even get the documents to vote in time as the government surely doesn't use DHL Express, and DHL Express also doesn't cover a lot of places.
But anyways, I have the feeling that it is pointless to discuss with someone that is openly suggesting anti-constitutional and borderline racist things here.
What is Borderline Racist about my comments?
I don't think people should vote, who don't have to face the consequences of their vote.
It's the same things with Turkiye which citizens don't want Erdogan, but most Turkish Citizens living abroad vote for him. In Hungary and other autocracies it's the same thing.
I want a fast path to citizenship for people who want to live permanently here, or EU Citizens who moved to another state.
But if you take up a citizenship of another state you should loose the German one, unless you have a good point and apply for an exception. That's how it was a few years ago, and there is nothing unconstitutional about it
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Go explain me the privilege. I don't see it
That is typically the case with priviledge
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Warning: Bad design, but instead of arguing over the top part, which definitely has some considerations that make it a bit more complicated, my main concern is the bottom part.
well, except if someone votes for a party that gets less than 5%. it's a bit similar with the US elections, when democrats would have won, if ppl didn't vote 3rd party for unrealistic reasons.
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I'm not trying to defend this behavior. I agree with you on that. But they do not want exactly the same thing as AFD. E.g. CDU is pro European, pro Ukraine and they take a stand against fascism.
How can you take a stand on fascism when you vote with the fascist party and copy their xenophobic and anti-"woke" rhetoric?
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
On topic YouTube video by a rather popular German Comedian:
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That is typically the case with priviledge
So you can't explain the "privilege"
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What is Borderline Racist about my comments?
I don't think people should vote, who don't have to face the consequences of their vote.
It's the same things with Turkiye which citizens don't want Erdogan, but most Turkish Citizens living abroad vote for him. In Hungary and other autocracies it's the same thing.
I want a fast path to citizenship for people who want to live permanently here, or EU Citizens who moved to another state.
But if you take up a citizenship of another state you should loose the German one, unless you have a good point and apply for an exception. That's how it was a few years ago, and there is nothing unconstitutional about it
German citizen are german citizen. There are no second class German citizen. Suggesting otherwise is clearly unconstitutional and about on the same level as AfD "remigration" plans, especially when you explicitly mention holders of two passports that typically tend to have an immigration background.
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
Unless you were planning to vote for afd. Then you should kys.
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German citizen are german citizen. There are no second class German citizen. Suggesting otherwise is clearly unconstitutional and about on the same level as AfD "remigration" plans, especially when you explicitly mention holders of two passports that typically tend to have an immigration background.
If you want to die on that hill, then I guess that's your opinion.
But if someone emigrates to Switzerland or the US to make more money and pay less taxes and becomes a citizen there, I think it's fair for them to return their German Citizenship and don't have a say anymore in how this country is run
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If you want to die on that hill, then I guess that's your opinion.
But if someone emigrates to Switzerland or the US to make more money and pay less taxes and becomes a citizen there, I think it's fair for them to return their German Citizenship and don't have a say anymore in how this country is run
Right, because there are a few rich people that probably don't bother to vote anyways, we should strip a substantial part of the German citizens of their voting rights?
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Right, because there are a few rich people that probably don't bother to vote anyways, we should strip a substantial part of the German citizens of their voting rights?
I wrote living abroad permanently. So yes, if you moved abroad permanently , and picked up another citizenship actively, yes I believe you shouldn't be able to vote anymore in Germany.
