Germans, please go to vote!
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Yes, it does. You are right. But this doesn't change my initial statement.
Voting CDU is just not that different to voting AfD, that's the point.
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Look at last parliamentary election in CZ.
By increasing attendance by few percent we got rid of communist party which was in parliament from 1945...
I was arguing to non-voters who adopted a "my single vote doesn't matter" perspective. A single vote in a country is never a few percent.
If people already know and trust that their vote can add up with others to a few percent here or there, they would already go and vote in our system I feel.
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You coudn't even get the documents to vote in time as the government surely doesn't use DHL Express, and DHL Express also doesn't cover a lot of places.
But anyways, I have the feeling that it is pointless to discuss with someone that is openly suggesting anti-constitutional and borderline racist things here.
What is Borderline Racist about my comments?
I don't think people should vote, who don't have to face the consequences of their vote.
It's the same things with Turkiye which citizens don't want Erdogan, but most Turkish Citizens living abroad vote for him. In Hungary and other autocracies it's the same thing.
I want a fast path to citizenship for people who want to live permanently here, or EU Citizens who moved to another state.
But if you take up a citizenship of another state you should loose the German one, unless you have a good point and apply for an exception. That's how it was a few years ago, and there is nothing unconstitutional about it
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Go explain me the privilege. I don't see it
That is typically the case with priviledge
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Warning: Bad design, but instead of arguing over the top part, which definitely has some considerations that make it a bit more complicated, my main concern is the bottom part.
well, except if someone votes for a party that gets less than 5%. it's a bit similar with the US elections, when democrats would have won, if ppl didn't vote 3rd party for unrealistic reasons.
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I'm not trying to defend this behavior. I agree with you on that. But they do not want exactly the same thing as AFD. E.g. CDU is pro European, pro Ukraine and they take a stand against fascism.
How can you take a stand on fascism when you vote with the fascist party and copy their xenophobic and anti-"woke" rhetoric?
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
On topic YouTube video by a rather popular German Comedian:
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That is typically the case with priviledge
So you can't explain the "privilege"
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What is Borderline Racist about my comments?
I don't think people should vote, who don't have to face the consequences of their vote.
It's the same things with Turkiye which citizens don't want Erdogan, but most Turkish Citizens living abroad vote for him. In Hungary and other autocracies it's the same thing.
I want a fast path to citizenship for people who want to live permanently here, or EU Citizens who moved to another state.
But if you take up a citizenship of another state you should loose the German one, unless you have a good point and apply for an exception. That's how it was a few years ago, and there is nothing unconstitutional about it
German citizen are german citizen. There are no second class German citizen. Suggesting otherwise is clearly unconstitutional and about on the same level as AfD "remigration" plans, especially when you explicitly mention holders of two passports that typically tend to have an immigration background.
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
Unless you were planning to vote for afd. Then you should kys.
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German citizen are german citizen. There are no second class German citizen. Suggesting otherwise is clearly unconstitutional and about on the same level as AfD "remigration" plans, especially when you explicitly mention holders of two passports that typically tend to have an immigration background.
If you want to die on that hill, then I guess that's your opinion.
But if someone emigrates to Switzerland or the US to make more money and pay less taxes and becomes a citizen there, I think it's fair for them to return their German Citizenship and don't have a say anymore in how this country is run
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If you want to die on that hill, then I guess that's your opinion.
But if someone emigrates to Switzerland or the US to make more money and pay less taxes and becomes a citizen there, I think it's fair for them to return their German Citizenship and don't have a say anymore in how this country is run
Right, because there are a few rich people that probably don't bother to vote anyways, we should strip a substantial part of the German citizens of their voting rights?
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Right, because there are a few rich people that probably don't bother to vote anyways, we should strip a substantial part of the German citizens of their voting rights?
I wrote living abroad permanently. So yes, if you moved abroad permanently , and picked up another citizenship actively, yes I believe you shouldn't be able to vote anymore in Germany.
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What is Borderline Racist about my comments?
I don't think people should vote, who don't have to face the consequences of their vote.
It's the same things with Turkiye which citizens don't want Erdogan, but most Turkish Citizens living abroad vote for him. In Hungary and other autocracies it's the same thing.
I want a fast path to citizenship for people who want to live permanently here, or EU Citizens who moved to another state.
But if you take up a citizenship of another state you should loose the German one, unless you have a good point and apply for an exception. That's how it was a few years ago, and there is nothing unconstitutional about it
What is Borderline Racist about my comments?
The old citizenship laws left millions of people who were born and raised in Germany, who went to school here and who pay their taxes here, and who have never had a home other than Germany without equal rights. So saying you oppose the reforms that finally allow these people to fully participate in our society isn't a great look.
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So you can't explain the "privilege"
Being ignorant of their own privilidge is basically part of the definition of priviledge.
But just think about someone that is working "montage" jobs and isn't home two or three weeks at at time. Their voting documents will sit unused in their mailbox.
There is a large group of people that have to use mail in votes because they don't have the time and flexibility to vote normally. This voting option wasn't invented for convenience.
That you can't even fathom that such very common cases exist, shows the level of priviledge you are arguing from.
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What is Borderline Racist about my comments?
The old citizenship laws left millions of people who were born and raised in Germany, who went to school here and who pay their taxes here, and who have never had a home other than Germany without equal rights. So saying you oppose the reforms that finally allow these people to fully participate in our society isn't a great look.
I also wrote that I want a fast path to citizenship for those people, I just said I didn't like the part of the reform where you don't have to give back the citizenship anymore when you pick up another
I want a fast path to citizenship for people who want to live permanently here, or EU Citizens who moved to another state.
But if you take up a citizenship of another state you should loose the German one, unless you have a good point and apply for an exception. That’s how it was a few years ago, and there is nothing unconstitutional about it -
I wrote living abroad permanently. So yes, if you moved abroad permanently , and picked up another citizenship actively, yes I believe you shouldn't be able to vote anymore in Germany.
The majority of German dual citizenship holders are not the ones that live abroad though. They are ones that actively picked up the German citizenship and live in Germany.
And as I said, this type of voter suppression primarily effects German citizen that temporarily live abroad and do not have any other nationality.
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Being ignorant of their own privilidge is basically part of the definition of priviledge.
But just think about someone that is working "montage" jobs and isn't home two or three weeks at at time. Their voting documents will sit unused in their mailbox.
There is a large group of people that have to use mail in votes because they don't have the time and flexibility to vote normally. This voting option wasn't invented for convenience.
That you can't even fathom that such very common cases exist, shows the level of priviledge you are arguing from.
But just think about someone that is working “montage” jobs and isn’t home two or three weeks at at time. Their voting documents will sit unused in their mailbox
You can specify another address where they will send you your ballots. And you can allow a other one to vote on your behalf
But yes, the rushed election date was idiotic. Normally you have 2-3 weeks more.
There is a large group of people that have to use mail in votes because they don’t have the time and flexibility to vote normally. This voting option wasn’t invented for convenience.
As someone working in a hospital I'm very well aware of this. But it was also invented for convenience, because it increases participation, which is good for democracy.
That you can’t even fathom that such very common cases exist, shows the level of priviledge you are arguing from.
In Germany we call this a Unterstellung
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
Yes. Question is - who? All parties suck across the board for me.
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I can't vote right because I'm a human
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I can't vote left because I got too much money for that
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I can't vote black or red because nothing will happen or change, the country will just keep declining
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I can't vote green because these people are actively ruining the country
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I can't vote for one of the smaller parties that would actually fit much much better but they got 0 chance of getting into the parliament and I might aswell toss my vote out the window.
It's just such a sad state of affairs right now. Every major party fucks me sideways one way or the other lmao.
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The majority of German dual citizenship holders are not the ones that live abroad though. They are ones that actively picked up the German citizenship and live in Germany.
And as I said, this type of voter suppression primarily effects German citizen that temporarily live abroad and do not have any other nationality.
The majority of German dual citizenship holders are not the ones that live abroad though. They are ones that actively picked up the German citizenship and live in Germany.
I never objected to them participating in German Elections. I objected to people voting in Elections where they don't face the consequences.
But I still think they should renounce their old citizenship if possible (If your country doesn't allow for it like Iran or Argentina then you obviously need an exception to this rule)
