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What Pseudoscience do you Believe?

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    That wiki article is very biased.

    It also has problems distinguishing pseudo medicine (proven not to work) from alternative medicine (not conclusively proved or disproved).

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    Once something works, we call it medicine. There's no such thing as "alternative medicine".

    Even if it's weird, or comes from popular knowledge, or disrupts the profits of a pharmaceutical company - if it's proven to work, it's medicine.

    Modern doctors are using fish skin to combat burns, maggots against necrosis, electroshock therapy for depression.

    The things that need the "alternative" qualifier before the word "medicine" are the ones that do nothing but extract your money.

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      Genes don't have agency either.

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      While genetic agency is often appropriated by reactionary politics, it's a quite established scientific perspective.

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      • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

        Came across a list of pseudosciences and was fun seeing where im woo woo.

        Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

        Ley Lines

        Accupressure/puncture

        Ayurveda

        Body Memory

        Faith healing

        Anyway, list too long to read. I guess Im quite the nonscientific woowoomancer. How about you? What pseudoscience do you believe? Also I believe nearly every stone i find was an ancient indian stone. Also manifesting and or prayer to manipulate via subconscious aligning the future.

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        • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

          Came across a list of pseudosciences and was fun seeing where im woo woo.

          Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

          Ley Lines

          Accupressure/puncture

          Ayurveda

          Body Memory

          Faith healing

          Anyway, list too long to read. I guess Im quite the nonscientific woowoomancer. How about you? What pseudoscience do you believe? Also I believe nearly every stone i find was an ancient indian stone. Also manifesting and or prayer to manipulate via subconscious aligning the future.

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          I really want to believe the Assassin's Creed concept that our DNA holds memories from our ancestors.

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            I really want to believe the Assassin's Creed concept that our DNA holds memories from our ancestors.

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            Epigenetics. But that's not as cool as whatever Assassin's Creed is.

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              While genetic agency is often appropriated by reactionary politics, it's a quite established scientific perspective.

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              Does a grain of sand have agency? Does it want to be caught by a specific size of classification sieve?

              Because that's exactly the level of agency that drives natural selection.

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                Yeah I kinda adhere to the simulation thing too. As a videogames programmer, every time I try to learn about quantum mechanics I learn about some new quirk that really makes it sound like some game engine limitation

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                I thought you were going to say

                As a videogames programmer, it is natural to me to consider myself as a character in some video game.

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                  I kind of a little bit believe that dreams have some weird predictive ability. The scientist in me knows it's likely a mix of confirmation bias and information synthesis, but like... my family has a pretty strong history of dreaming about deaths and births a week or two prior to pregnancy announcements and deaths. My mom has had several dreams where a loved one has come and chatted with her in a dream and said goodbye, then later that day we learn they passed, for example. It's happened enough that I have a lot of trouble brushing it off.

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                  i have that too, a lot. not just when people die though. it is quite different than just a random hallucination, because i get the feeling that an organized intelligence is actually having a plan and giving me specific information.

                  like, sometimes, i will have a dream that conveys something important to me, and then i will deliberately wake up in the middle of that dream in a way that makes me remember what i dreamed about, so i can write it down.

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                  • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

                    Came across a list of pseudosciences and was fun seeing where im woo woo.

                    Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

                    Ley Lines

                    Accupressure/puncture

                    Ayurveda

                    Body Memory

                    Faith healing

                    Anyway, list too long to read. I guess Im quite the nonscientific woowoomancer. How about you? What pseudoscience do you believe? Also I believe nearly every stone i find was an ancient indian stone. Also manifesting and or prayer to manipulate via subconscious aligning the future.

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                    Uff, i have a lot:

                    Life on earth is a huge organized organism. It created intelligent humans deliberately sothat we can spread life to other planets. Plants could not do that otherwise.

                    All life is sentient. Sentience doesn't come from the brain, rather it comes from the hormones in your bloodstream. When we sweat, these hormones enter the air (apparently within the fraction of a second) and other people can smell them. That is how we can instinctually know how others are feeling.

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                      Uff, i have a lot:

                      Life on earth is a huge organized organism. It created intelligent humans deliberately sothat we can spread life to other planets. Plants could not do that otherwise.

                      All life is sentient. Sentience doesn't come from the brain, rather it comes from the hormones in your bloodstream. When we sweat, these hormones enter the air (apparently within the fraction of a second) and other people can smell them. That is how we can instinctually know how others are feeling.

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                      ask for more and i will give.

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                        Once something works, we call it medicine. There's no such thing as "alternative medicine".

                        Even if it's weird, or comes from popular knowledge, or disrupts the profits of a pharmaceutical company - if it's proven to work, it's medicine.

                        Modern doctors are using fish skin to combat burns, maggots against necrosis, electroshock therapy for depression.

                        The things that need the "alternative" qualifier before the word "medicine" are the ones that do nothing but extract your money.

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                        I'm not sure what are you trying to tell me.

                        That you agree with me that "alternative medicine = not proven to work, but I'm wrong somehow"?

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                          It's hard resisting the power of the moon.

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                          The moon haunts you.

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                          • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

                            Came across a list of pseudosciences and was fun seeing where im woo woo.

                            Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

                            Ley Lines

                            Accupressure/puncture

                            Ayurveda

                            Body Memory

                            Faith healing

                            Anyway, list too long to read. I guess Im quite the nonscientific woowoomancer. How about you? What pseudoscience do you believe? Also I believe nearly every stone i find was an ancient indian stone. Also manifesting and or prayer to manipulate via subconscious aligning the future.

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                            Definitely the lunar effect, but that is still under study. There's a documentary called "The Shark Side of the Moon" which follows a scientist trying to prove a lunar effect on sharks. There's also some inconclusive evidence of a lunar effect on people with bipolar disorder; the full moon might trigger mania, probably due to excess light during nighttime. Context: >!People with bipolar disorder (known as 'manic depression' years ago) are very sensitive to light, substances, and many other things that can trigger manic or depressive episodes for them. The possible mania under the full moon may be a reason behind myths like the werewolves and terms like 'lunatic'.!<

                            I'll edit if I find more.

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                            • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

                              Came across a list of pseudosciences and was fun seeing where im woo woo.

                              Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

                              Ley Lines

                              Accupressure/puncture

                              Ayurveda

                              Body Memory

                              Faith healing

                              Anyway, list too long to read. I guess Im quite the nonscientific woowoomancer. How about you? What pseudoscience do you believe? Also I believe nearly every stone i find was an ancient indian stone. Also manifesting and or prayer to manipulate via subconscious aligning the future.

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                              Feng Shui, though I mostly credit it to the Dear Modern channel breaking the concept of qi and energy down into stuff like human traffic flow, activities, scenery, and noise, and using that to optimize spaces for comfort. It's mostly psychology, and some of the superstitious stuff I'm not really into.

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                                I'm not sure what are you trying to tell me.

                                That you agree with me that "alternative medicine = not proven to work, but I'm wrong somehow"?

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                                I think you sorted things into three types of medicine:

                                [ pseudo, alternative, modern/mainstream ]

                                I think he believes that most things you put into the alternative category have already been mostly studied; those being not proved or disproved to work.

                                I think the that some issue here comes from the fact that conspiracy theorists / other (for lack of an agreed upon modifier) medicine gurus may have used the argument that some medicines aren’t proven to be bad yet as a way to give them legitimacy.

                                Whether or not other medicine is good for you should be be studied and determined to be medicine or not. Until then we can’t say anything about its efficacy. But there can be carry on effects: protein powder was found to have heavy metals, is protein powder good? Maybe in certain circumstances, but concentrating a given substance can have unintended consequences when not properly analyzed.

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                                  The moon haunts you.

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                                  Or in the case of Destiny and FFXIV:

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                                  • allo@sh.itjust.worksA [email protected]

                                    Came across a list of pseudosciences and was fun seeing where im woo woo.

                                    Lunar effect – the belief that the full Moon influences human and animal behavior.

                                    Ley Lines

                                    Accupressure/puncture

                                    Ayurveda

                                    Body Memory

                                    Faith healing

                                    Anyway, list too long to read. I guess Im quite the nonscientific woowoomancer. How about you? What pseudoscience do you believe? Also I believe nearly every stone i find was an ancient indian stone. Also manifesting and or prayer to manipulate via subconscious aligning the future.

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                                    I believe that literally every esotheric and nonesotheric bullshit is more trustworthy than everything a politician says at any given moment.

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                                      i have that too, a lot. not just when people die though. it is quite different than just a random hallucination, because i get the feeling that an organized intelligence is actually having a plan and giving me specific information.

                                      like, sometimes, i will have a dream that conveys something important to me, and then i will deliberately wake up in the middle of that dream in a way that makes me remember what i dreamed about, so i can write it down.

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                                      Yeah, that kind of stuff exactly. Good to know it happens to others.

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                                        Karl Marx stated that technological development can change the modes of production over time. This change in the mode of production inevitably encourages changes to a society's economic system.

                                        I dunno, man, that doesn't sound too crazy. I'm in a really bad condition for learning new things right now, and I can't even figure out what claims this idea would be making. It sounds like it's just describing a process of advancement and the types of conflicts that arise?

                                        I'm finding this especially hard to grasp because my brain's on a tangent about how you'd really go about falsifying most stuff in history or sociology. You gonna put a bunch of people in a series of jars with carefully controlled conditions for hundreds of years and observe the results? Like we have this piece of paper from 1700 that says Jimothy won the big game, but our understanding of this guy and his alleged win of this supposed game are totally vibes-based because we don't have a time machine. I think like the best you can do is try to base your beliefs and claims off things that have been observed repeatedly, but does that make these kinds of topics unscientific? We test what we can and go with our best guess for what we can't, right? This is going to bother me.

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                                        I'm too lazy and tired to go into it at the moment, so I'm just going to paste this infographic explaining the relationship between the material base and ideological superstructure.

                                        To the falsifiability point, while I can't say a lot without knowing the specifics that Popper argued, historical materialism (and dialectical materialism, the way of understanding the world historical materialism comes from) don't on the surface make much sense trying to attack from a falsifiability angle. While one could attempt to disprove, say, the extraction of surplus value through profit or the tendency of the rate of profit to fall being properties of capitalism (these are claims about the world that can conceivably be true or false), dialectical/historical materialism is the tool used to analyze the world, attempt to change the world based on the understanding from that analysis, incorporate the lessons learned from those attempts (be they failed or successful) into one's understanding of the world, and repeat. It's basically a way of gaining knowledge about the world, as well as an explanation of how people get knowledge.

                                        Again, I'd have to check out Popper's full argument for the specifics, but I don't know how one can make assertions about the falsifiability of what is basically an epistemology without committing some kind of category error.

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                                          While genetic agency is often appropriated by reactionary politics, it's a quite established scientific perspective.

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                                          I'm guessing "agency" in this case is being used in a way that's very specific to that area of research and not exactly how people use it in normal conversation?

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