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  • cris_color@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

    Lol. Porn does make the internet go round

    I already did that, but not on this account >.>

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    something about that oily wetness lubricating the engine of thought.

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    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

      serious question but how do/could you formalize your rejection of right-wingers? what is it exactly that you take issue with?

      i'm asking because i talk to a lot of people (also some who identify as "right-wingers") and i'd like to know what exactly are the issues that bother people, so i can forward it to them. it would help me bring up better arguments if i know what other people are thinking.

      so, i've collected the following list of things to take issue with so far:

      • right-wingers often think that people who don't work, don't deserve to eat, which clearly puts enterpreneurial spirit above human life, which is clearly illegal
      • right-wingers often take brunt and direct actions, which can be uncomfortable to more sensitive people.
      • right-wingers typically neglect far-sightedness, seeking only short-term profits (looking at you, quarterly profit).

      tell me if i forgot something.

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      In America, right wingers support the republicans who have a verified track record of taking rights away, cheating elections and straight up lying. By refusing the see any other point of view, they reject open mindedness. They are unyielding in their beliefs and that is dangerous. It's whats led to the current affairs of the USA. Theyve been swindled for years. The thing I hate most of all is there core principle is hate. They hate minorities, immigrants, foreigners and gays. They always have some justification for it. "Gays are cross dressing and confusing my children. Gays are indecent. Minorities are abusing social programs. Jewish people are running criminal cabals. (Etc. etc.)

      You'll have the "oh well I don't support THAT part of my political party but shrug nothing we can do 🙂" publicans but don't do anything or even CRITICIZE it. And those that try to refute these points either outright deny that its true or use whataboutism.

      I will end this by saying I have right winger friends who are radicalizing away from me and I'm trying my hardest to show them that core beliefs of comraderie and compassion is far superior to the kool aid they're being forced fed by all major social media companies.

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      • B [email protected]

        One thing that's turning me off, is the, uh... political requirements of much of the space.

        By that I mean stuff like "Elon Musk should commit suicide" or "X group of people are all mentally retarded" comments in top posts, or even popular posts themselves.

        It feels toxic like X. Or what Voat (an older Reddit clone, albeit not a federated one) turned into, albeit at the opposite side of the political spectrum, hence no one contributed to non-political niches and the site died in toxicity.

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        #127

        people are very emotional rn because of everything that's happening but i agree with you that violence for it's own sake is never good. the discussion must stay positive.

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          #128

          i think if someone's intolerant, pointing out that they're wrong is something appropriate, but picking a fight over it is not worth it. it makes you like that person in that meme:


          edit: in bad cases, report it and move on with your life.

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          • F [email protected]

            Doesn't make it right. This is a civilized age and we must forever push for progress.

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            #129

            No one said it was

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            • cris_color@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

              The fediverse is small, and thats both a blessing and a curse - one of its several blessings is that in a smaller space we all individually have a bigger impact on what the culture of this space is like.

              On this comm (and on lemmy broadly) there's a lot of discussion about how to grow the fediverse, what to improve, but an easy thing you can do for the fediverse is right in front of us-

              • Be kind

              • Ask people what they think, and why

              • Approach folks you disagree with with curiosity rather than hostility

              • Engage sincerely

              • Ask yourself if there's something nice you can say

              • Make this small space worth being in

              A platform lives or dies by what's available on said platform and often we have this conversation in the context of "content" or posts - and we may never have as much content as reddit does. But content and posts aren't the only thing this kind of platform offers- it also offers people. It offers community, and human interaction.

              Culture and community is lemmy and the fediverse's biggest differentiator, and we all have a role to play in shaping the culture of this space.

              The biggest thing you can do to help the fediverse is make it a place worth being.

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              #130

              i hope the quality stays up and i guess that we're non-commercial might help with this; as we're not pushing people to use this platform; the people here are people who actually want to use this platform and i guess that in itself could do a good thing.

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              • cris_color@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                The fediverse is small, and thats both a blessing and a curse - one of its several blessings is that in a smaller space we all individually have a bigger impact on what the culture of this space is like.

                On this comm (and on lemmy broadly) there's a lot of discussion about how to grow the fediverse, what to improve, but an easy thing you can do for the fediverse is right in front of us-

                • Be kind

                • Ask people what they think, and why

                • Approach folks you disagree with with curiosity rather than hostility

                • Engage sincerely

                • Ask yourself if there's something nice you can say

                • Make this small space worth being in

                A platform lives or dies by what's available on said platform and often we have this conversation in the context of "content" or posts - and we may never have as much content as reddit does. But content and posts aren't the only thing this kind of platform offers- it also offers people. It offers community, and human interaction.

                Culture and community is lemmy and the fediverse's biggest differentiator, and we all have a role to play in shaping the culture of this space.

                The biggest thing you can do to help the fediverse is make it a place worth being.

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                As I get older I have found that making my world smaller and focusing on the things I genuinely care about (and not the things I’m “supposed to” care about as a “good” man/American/worker etc) results in me being happier and more satisfied with life.

                Lemmy is my close little corner of the internet. I hope that the fediverse grows ands takes over for the good of other people, but if it stays in this niche for another decade I’ll be happy because I already love it for what it is.

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                • davel@lemmy.mlD [email protected]

                  Horseshoe theory is horseshit.

                  • ‘Horseshoe theory’ is nonsense – the far right and far left have little in common
                  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#Academic_studies_and_criticism
                  • Funny thing about Hannah Arendt’s construction of “totalitarianism”: She came from a bourgeois family and so was unsurprisingly anti-communist, and she was funded & promoted by the CIA.
                    Imperialist Propaganda and the Ideology of the Western Left Intelligentsia: From Anticommunism and Identity Politics to Democratic Illusions and Fascism

                    One of the centerpieces of the cultural cold war was the Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF), which was revealed in 1966 to be a CIA front. Hugh Wilford, who has researched the topic extensively, described the CCF as nothing short of one of the largest patrons of art and culture in the history of the world. Established in 1950, it promoted on the international scene the work of collaborationist academics such as Raymond Aron and Hannah Arendt over and against their Marxian rivals, including the likes of Jean-Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir.

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                  They have one very important thing in common. They both support the alt-right. Fascists because they want to. Leftist because they're purists.

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                  • F [email protected]

                    I notice tons and tons of hostility in comments. And I think it's from people jumping to the worst possible conclusion.

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                    Yeah but have you thought how that makes you a Nazi

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                    • J [email protected]

                      The basic problem is thinking that conquering somebody is natural, inevitable, or good.

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                      #134

                      oh yes i forgot about canada and greenland somehow, sorry

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                        No one said it was

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                        #135

                        Fair enough

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                          They have one very important thing in common. They both support the alt-right. Fascists because they want to. Leftist because they're purists.

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                          They do not support the alt-right. What are you even talking about? “MAGA communists” almost never show up on Lemmy, and when they do they are quickly shown the door.

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                            In America, right wingers support the republicans who have a verified track record of taking rights away, cheating elections and straight up lying. By refusing the see any other point of view, they reject open mindedness. They are unyielding in their beliefs and that is dangerous. It's whats led to the current affairs of the USA. Theyve been swindled for years. The thing I hate most of all is there core principle is hate. They hate minorities, immigrants, foreigners and gays. They always have some justification for it. "Gays are cross dressing and confusing my children. Gays are indecent. Minorities are abusing social programs. Jewish people are running criminal cabals. (Etc. etc.)

                            You'll have the "oh well I don't support THAT part of my political party but shrug nothing we can do 🙂" publicans but don't do anything or even CRITICIZE it. And those that try to refute these points either outright deny that its true or use whataboutism.

                            I will end this by saying I have right winger friends who are radicalizing away from me and I'm trying my hardest to show them that core beliefs of comraderie and compassion is far superior to the kool aid they're being forced fed by all major social media companies.

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                            #137

                            you've put it very well, especially the

                            You’ll have the “oh well I don’t support THAT part of my political party but shrug nothing we can do 🙂” publicans but don’t do anything or even CRITICIZE it. And those that try to refute these points either outright deny that its true or use whataboutism.

                            is something that perfectly describes my mother. no matter how bad the situation, she invariably comes back to "christianity will save us, we need to work harder, gays are abusing social programs, ..."

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                            • davel@lemmy.mlD [email protected]

                              Horseshoe theory is horseshit.

                              • ‘Horseshoe theory’ is nonsense – the far right and far left have little in common
                              • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory#Academic_studies_and_criticism
                              • Funny thing about Hannah Arendt’s construction of “totalitarianism”: She came from a bourgeois family and so was unsurprisingly anti-communist, and she was funded & promoted by the CIA.
                                Imperialist Propaganda and the Ideology of the Western Left Intelligentsia: From Anticommunism and Identity Politics to Democratic Illusions and Fascism

                                One of the centerpieces of the cultural cold war was the Congress for Cultural Freedom (CCF), which was revealed in 1966 to be a CIA front. Hugh Wilford, who has researched the topic extensively, described the CCF as nothing short of one of the largest patrons of art and culture in the history of the world. Established in 1950, it promoted on the international scene the work of collaborationist academics such as Raymond Aron and Hannah Arendt over and against their Marxian rivals, including the likes of Jean-Paul Sartre and Simone de Beauvoir.

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                              Thanks for showing up to be an example Davel

                              Davel is one of the ones who knows exactly what they are supporting, but choose to because they don't act in good faith.

                              Now kindly fuck off until next time Davel. 😛

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                              • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG [email protected]

                                oh yes i forgot about canada and greenland somehow, sorry

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                                Right wing ideologies hinge on distracting people from their problems instead of solving them.

                                This arracts exclusively con men and dumb marks.

                                And the distractions they choose always end up being the erasure of minorities.

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                                • softestsapphic@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                                  Thanks for showing up to be an example Davel

                                  Davel is one of the ones who knows exactly what they are supporting, but choose to because they don't act in good faith.

                                  Now kindly fuck off until next time Davel. 😛

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                                  You’ve once again shown your empty accusations and insults, contrary to OP’s advice in this post.

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                                  • cris_color@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                                    The fediverse is small, and thats both a blessing and a curse - one of its several blessings is that in a smaller space we all individually have a bigger impact on what the culture of this space is like.

                                    On this comm (and on lemmy broadly) there's a lot of discussion about how to grow the fediverse, what to improve, but an easy thing you can do for the fediverse is right in front of us-

                                    • Be kind

                                    • Ask people what they think, and why

                                    • Approach folks you disagree with with curiosity rather than hostility

                                    • Engage sincerely

                                    • Ask yourself if there's something nice you can say

                                    • Make this small space worth being in

                                    A platform lives or dies by what's available on said platform and often we have this conversation in the context of "content" or posts - and we may never have as much content as reddit does. But content and posts aren't the only thing this kind of platform offers- it also offers people. It offers community, and human interaction.

                                    Culture and community is lemmy and the fediverse's biggest differentiator, and we all have a role to play in shaping the culture of this space.

                                    The biggest thing you can do to help the fediverse is make it a place worth being.

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                                    We come in peace

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                                    • F [email protected]

                                      In America, right wingers support the republicans who have a verified track record of taking rights away, cheating elections and straight up lying. By refusing the see any other point of view, they reject open mindedness. They are unyielding in their beliefs and that is dangerous. It's whats led to the current affairs of the USA. Theyve been swindled for years. The thing I hate most of all is there core principle is hate. They hate minorities, immigrants, foreigners and gays. They always have some justification for it. "Gays are cross dressing and confusing my children. Gays are indecent. Minorities are abusing social programs. Jewish people are running criminal cabals. (Etc. etc.)

                                      You'll have the "oh well I don't support THAT part of my political party but shrug nothing we can do 🙂" publicans but don't do anything or even CRITICIZE it. And those that try to refute these points either outright deny that its true or use whataboutism.

                                      I will end this by saying I have right winger friends who are radicalizing away from me and I'm trying my hardest to show them that core beliefs of comraderie and compassion is far superior to the kool aid they're being forced fed by all major social media companies.

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                                      actually let me think about it again:

                                      IMO that somebody's always hateful is typically a sign of enormous psychological/emotional stress. so that tells me these people have a lot of problems, and probably don't know how to deal with the world. i wonder what education would do to them.

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                                      • cris_color@lemmy.worldC [email protected]

                                        Here are some more specific examples to think about!

                                        • Compliment people's art and ask about their process

                                        • Teach people about something you're knowledgeable on

                                        • Give constructive criticism on peoples projects when it's welcome

                                        • Thank people for posting things you're glad you got to see, tell them you enjoyed it

                                        • Tell people you're glad they're here

                                        • Tell people you hope they have a good day

                                        Thanks for taking the time to read my thoughts 🙂

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                                        I'm not one for religion, but I for one would like to join the Church of Cris.

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                                        • ogmios@sh.itjust.worksO [email protected]

                                          That's what you say today because you think it's convenient to your argument, but it actually shows exactly what I'm talking about because the definition you've offered would make no sense at all to anyone a year ago, but people like you were still calling everyone Nazis then.

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                                          I'm sorry big daddy Trump cucked you but everyone with the ability to read Project 2025 could tell you this was going to happen.

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