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You mean it’s going to outsource the labour to children in third world countries?
More or less
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i’m pro-AI (with huuuuge caveats) but i disagree with this… AI reduces certain jobs in a similar way, but it also enables large scale manipulation and fucks with our thought processes on a large scale
i’d say it’s like if a mechanised weaving loom also invented the concept of disinformation and propaganda
.. but also, mechanised weaving loom effected a single industry: modern ML has the potential to effect the large majority of people: it’s on a different scale than the disruption of the textile industry
Agree it's on a different scale (everything is relative to 200 years ago).
One of the main "benefits" of mechanised factory machinery in the early 1800s was that shifted the demand side of labour, such that capitalists had far more control over it. I reckon that counts as a kind of large scale manipulation (but yeah, probably not as pervasive of other domains of life).
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True. Now shut up and take my upvote! Jo need for arguments; all has already been said.
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I'll answer. Because some people see these systems as "good" regardless of political affiliation and want them furthered and see any cost as worth it. If an anarchist / communist sees these systems in a positive light, then they will absolutely try and use them at scale. These people absolutely exist and you could find many examples of them on Lemmy. Try DB0.
And the point of anarchist or actual communist systems is that such scale would be miniscule. Not massive national or unanswerable state scales.
And yes, I'm an anarchist. I know DB0 and their instance and generally agree with their stance - because it would allow any one of us to effectively advocate against it if we desired to.
There would be no tech broligarchy forcing things on anyone. They'd likely all be hanged long ago. And no one would miss them as they provide nothing of real value anyway.
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This echo chamber isn't ready for this logical discussion yet unfortunately lol
When someone disagrees with me - echo chamber.
When someone agrees with me - logical discussion.
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This is valid to all data centers serving all websites. Your take is a criticism of unregulated capitalism, not AI.
Beef farming is a far far far more impactful discussion, yet here we are.
Ai takes far more power to serve a single request than a website does though.
And remember, AI requires those websites too, for training data.
So it's not just more power hungry, it also has thw initial power consumption added on top
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A hammer doesn't consume exorbitant amounts of power and water.
What about self hosting?
I can run a local GenAI on my gaming PC with relative ease. This isn't consuming mass amounts of power. -
AI uses 1/1000 the power of a microwave.
Are you really sure you aren't the one being fed lies by con men?
wrote last edited by [email protected]What? Elon Musk’s xAI data center in Tennessee (when fully expanded & operational) will need 2 GW of energy. That’s as much as some entire cities use in a year.
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Wow i'm sure this comment section is full of respectful and constructive discussion /s. Lemme go pop some popcorn.
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Literally this post lol
Doh. I'm always sorted to new, so things don't have this many votes. I should revisit every so often
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And the point of anarchist or actual communist systems is that such scale would be miniscule. Not massive national or unanswerable state scales.
And yes, I'm an anarchist. I know DB0 and their instance and generally agree with their stance - because it would allow any one of us to effectively advocate against it if we desired to.
There would be no tech broligarchy forcing things on anyone. They'd likely all be hanged long ago. And no one would miss them as they provide nothing of real value anyway.
DB0 has a rather famous record of banning users who do not agree with AI. See [email protected] or others for many threads complaining about it.
You have no way of knowing what the scale would be as it's all a thought experiment, however, so let's play at that. if you see AI as a nearly universal good and want to encourage people to use it, why not incorporate it into things? Why not foist it into the state OS or whatever?
Buuuuut... keep in mind that in previous Communist regimes (even if you disagree that they were "real" Communists), what the state says will apply. If the state is actively pro-AI, then by default, you are using it. Are you too good to use what your brothers and sisters have said is good and will definitely 100% save labour? Are you wasteful, Comrade? Why do you hate your country?
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And the call for violence, because it splat as it's your team* doing it.
Also fixed.
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Do you really need to have a list of why people are sick of LLM and Ai slop?
Ai is literally making people dumber:
https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/18/is_ai_changing_our_brains/
They are a massive privacy risk:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyH7zoP-JOg&t=3015s
Are being used to push fascist ideologies into every aspect of the internet:
https://newsocialist.org.uk/transmissions/ai-the-new-aesthetics-of-fascism/
And they are a massive environmental disaster:
https://news.mit.edu/2025/explained-generative-ai-environmental-impact-0117
Stop being a corporate apologist and stop wreaking the environment with this shit technology.
Edit: thank you to every Ai apologist outing themselves in the comments. Thank you for making blocking you easy.
Lol I didn't know that the anarchists over at lemmy.dbzer0.com are being corporate apologists. /sarcasm
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Not all AI is bad. But there’s enough widespread AI that’s helping cut jobs, spreading misinformation (or in some cases, actual propaganda), creating deepfakes, etc, that in many people’s eyes, it paints a bad picture of AI overall. I also don’t trust AI because it’s almost exclusively owned by far right billionaires.
Machines replacing people is not a bad thing if they can actually perform the same or better; the solution to unemployment would be Universal Basic Income.
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Lots of pro AI astroturfing and whataboutisms in these comments...
"Anyone I disagree with must be a bot or government agent"
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Reminder that Lemmy is typically older and older people are usually more conservative about things. Sure, politcially, Lemmy leans left, but technologically, Lemmy is very conservative.
Like for example, you see people on Lemmy say they'll switch to a dumbphone, but that's probably even more insecure, and they could've just used Lineage OS or something and it would be far more private.
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Machines replacing people is not a bad thing if they can actually perform the same or better; the solution to unemployment would be Universal Basic Income.
For labor people don't like doing, sure. I can't imagine replacing a friend of mine with a conversation machine that performs the same or better, though.
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I firmly believe we won't get most of the interesting, "good" AI until after this current AI bubble bursts and goes down in flames. Once AI hardware is cheap interesting people will use it to make cool things. But right now, the big players in the space are drowning out anyone who might do real AI work that has potential, by throwing more and more hardware and money at LLMs and generative AI models because they don't understand the technology and see it as a way to get rich and powerful quickly.
AI is good and cheap now because businesses are funding it at a loss, so not sure what you mean here.
The problem is that it's cheap, so that anyone can make whatever they want and most people make low quality slop, hence why it's not "good" in your eyes.
Making a cheap or efficient AI doesn't help the end user in any way.
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How people dare not like the automatic bullshit machine pushed down their troat...
Seriously, genrative AI acomplishment are :
- Making mass spam easier
- Burning the planet
- Making people lose their job and not even being a decent solution
- Make all search engine and information sources worse
- Creating an economic bubble that will fuckup the economy even harder
- Easing mass surveillance and weakening privacy everywhere
We should ban computers since they are making mass surveillance easier. /s
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So cancer cell detection is now bad and those doing it should feel bad?
The world isn't black'n white.
Me to burn victims: "You know, without fire, we couldn't grill meat. Right? You should think more about what you say."
