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What are the best privacy and security minded alternatives for iCloud storage on IOS?

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  • thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyzT [email protected]

    Given everything going on in the world, I can't say this often enough:

    The only infrastructure we can trust is our own.

    https://lemmy.ml/c/[email protected]

    https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected]

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    100% this. If you self host it you control your own data and can choose to encrypt it as well.

    If you want e2ee file storage look at seafile.

    If you want e2ee chat go signal if you don't want to host, matrix if you do want to self host.

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      100% this. If you self host it you control your own data and can choose to encrypt it as well.

      If you want e2ee file storage look at seafile.

      If you want e2ee chat go signal if you don't want to host, matrix if you do want to self host.

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      The barrier to entry to get Self Hosted Matrix working is unfortunately pretty high. Matrix is a great tool, but getting it working requires advanced skills and (in my limited experience) hours of troubleshooting.

      That being said, I'm associated with an organization that wants to help activist groups self host matrix. If you know a group with need, check out https://rmfuni.org.

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      • thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyzT [email protected]

        Given everything going on in the world, I can't say this often enough:

        The only infrastructure we can trust is our own.

        https://lemmy.ml/c/[email protected]

        https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected]

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        Whilst I’ll agree with your statement some people prefer a service to use rather than self hosted.

        And I suppose some people may worry about electric usage as well when running hardware 24/7. I guess that’s just 1 reason.

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          Whilst I’ll agree with your statement some people prefer a service to use rather than self hosted.

          And I suppose some people may worry about electric usage as well when running hardware 24/7. I guess that’s just 1 reason.

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          Whilst I’ll agree with your statement some people prefer a service to use rather than self hosted.

          Great! They can prefer that. Lots of people (most people probably) even need services, because they lack the skills and / or equipment.

          That doesn't change the simple truth of "the only infrastructure we can trust is our own." My goal with that statement is to educate people as much as possible NOT to trust the third party services they're using, even if those services supposedly care about privacy and security.

          I've also seen a huge outpouring in recent weeks of people who are suddenly very eager to learn about and use self hosted infrastructure (or get access to someone else's self hosted infrastructure). For some reason, I wonder what that could be. I've never seen anything like it in my life.

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            Due to Apple pulling ADP from uk consumers I think it would be fitting for us to discuss and suggest alternatives that our uk members could use and switch to.

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            If you don't want to self-host, consider Proton Drive, ente.io, or crypt.ee.

            I use Proton Drive; it's not perfect, but Proton has been around for 10 years.
            ente.io seems promising, but they haven't been around for long enough.
            crypt.ee seems fine, but it has the same problem as ente.io, and I don't like their interface.

            If none of the above options suit you, maybe try sync.com; they claim to encrypt all their files with end-to-end encryption.

            Filen.io's offer of cheap lifetime plans on Black Friday raises a red flag for me, as lifetime plans are not a sustainable business model.

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              If you don't want to self-host, consider Proton Drive, ente.io, or crypt.ee.

              I use Proton Drive; it's not perfect, but Proton has been around for 10 years.
              ente.io seems promising, but they haven't been around for long enough.
              crypt.ee seems fine, but it has the same problem as ente.io, and I don't like their interface.

              If none of the above options suit you, maybe try sync.com; they claim to encrypt all their files with end-to-end encryption.

              Filen.io's offer of cheap lifetime plans on Black Friday raises a red flag for me, as lifetime plans are not a sustainable business model.

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              Proton Drive is absolutely horrid at photo sharing and storage.

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                Proton Drive is absolutely horrid at photo sharing and storage.

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                If you're on mac or windows i think the storage part is fine. But otherwise yes. In my opinion proton is the best alternative if you don't want to selfhost.

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                  Due to Apple pulling ADP from uk consumers I think it would be fitting for us to discuss and suggest alternatives that our uk members could use and switch to.

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                  For cloud storage: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cloud/

                  For photo management: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/photo-management/

                  Office suite: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/office-suites/

                  Notes: https://www.privacyguides.org/en/notebooks/

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                    Whilst I’ll agree with your statement some people prefer a service to use rather than self hosted.

                    And I suppose some people may worry about electric usage as well when running hardware 24/7. I guess that’s just 1 reason.

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                    I recently discovered Filen and all their clients are open-source. It claims to encrypt all files before uploading and I did notice my CPU usage ramp up quite a lot during it. Though, I currently lack the time and expertise to audit their code.

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                    • thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyzT [email protected]

                      The barrier to entry to get Self Hosted Matrix working is unfortunately pretty high. Matrix is a great tool, but getting it working requires advanced skills and (in my limited experience) hours of troubleshooting.

                      That being said, I'm associated with an organization that wants to help activist groups self host matrix. If you know a group with need, check out https://rmfuni.org.

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                      I got Conduit working relatively easily. However, it had constant issues with encryption in groups. I never even considered Synapse because it's too heavy for my minimal, cheap VPS.

                      Self-hosted XMPP is much easier tho, and it "just works".

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                        If you don't want to self-host, consider Proton Drive, ente.io, or crypt.ee.

                        I use Proton Drive; it's not perfect, but Proton has been around for 10 years.
                        ente.io seems promising, but they haven't been around for long enough.
                        crypt.ee seems fine, but it has the same problem as ente.io, and I don't like their interface.

                        If none of the above options suit you, maybe try sync.com; they claim to encrypt all their files with end-to-end encryption.

                        Filen.io's offer of cheap lifetime plans on Black Friday raises a red flag for me, as lifetime plans are not a sustainable business model.

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                        Cryptee started in 2017, so around 8 years, I think it can be said that the are not new commers. It's not as old as Proton of course but yeah I think you can not say they haven't been around for long enough.
                        ente started in 2020 so it's been 5 years I think it's starting to be fair to assume they can be sustainable for the comming years but it's still relatively new of course.

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                          Cryptee started in 2017, so around 8 years, I think it can be said that the are not new commers. It's not as old as Proton of course but yeah I think you can not say they haven't been around for long enough.
                          ente started in 2020 so it's been 5 years I think it's starting to be fair to assume they can be sustainable for the comming years but it's still relatively new of course.

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                          Didn't realize crypt.ee was that "old". Ente.io is still a bit to new for me.

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                            Didn't realize crypt.ee was that "old". Ente.io is still a bit to new for me.

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                            Yes ente is still new and haven't released v1 yet but they are doing awesome work and I'm currently trying it, I hope they will sustain well and keep there mission's core for the years to come !

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                              Due to Apple pulling ADP from uk consumers I think it would be fitting for us to discuss and suggest alternatives that our uk members could use and switch to.

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                              As long as you don't own the hardware your data is at risk. I know you don't like the idea of self hosting because XYZ, but it's the only way forward. There are no good companies.

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                                If you don't want to self-host, consider Proton Drive, ente.io, or crypt.ee.

                                I use Proton Drive; it's not perfect, but Proton has been around for 10 years.
                                ente.io seems promising, but they haven't been around for long enough.
                                crypt.ee seems fine, but it has the same problem as ente.io, and I don't like their interface.

                                If none of the above options suit you, maybe try sync.com; they claim to encrypt all their files with end-to-end encryption.

                                Filen.io's offer of cheap lifetime plans on Black Friday raises a red flag for me, as lifetime plans are not a sustainable business model.

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                                Just want to say: Proton's Android app sucks ass. I had like 1000 photos and I had to manually download 25 at a time, if I choose more, like 50 or 75, the app would never finish downloading it and the process randomly stops, even if I disable "battery optimization". That is just horrible. Even something sketchy like Mega allows you to download like 200 photos at a time, probably even more (but I have not tried yet).

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                                • thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyzT [email protected]

                                  Given everything going on in the world, I can't say this often enough:

                                  The only infrastructure we can trust is our own.

                                  https://lemmy.ml/c/[email protected]

                                  https://lemmy.world/c/[email protected]

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                                  Stupid question:

                                  Where do you put your self-host server?

                                  At home? Idk where y'all live but most American homes are made of wood, and that aint good for fires. (And even if not wood, fires can still exist.)

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                                    As long as you don't own the hardware your data is at risk. I know you don't like the idea of self hosting because XYZ, but it's the only way forward. There are no good companies.

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                                    Where do you put your server without it getting destroyed by a house fire? (Genuine question, not rhetorical)

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                                      Where do you put your server without it getting destroyed by a house fire? (Genuine question, not rhetorical)

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                                      You have multiple backups. Preferably, another selfhosted server at a friend or family member's house in combination with cloud storage, where you encrypt your data with your own key before backing it up at a storage provider, such as Backblaze, iDrive, Hetzner etc. In that way, you will minimize data loss in the event of a fire or the like.

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                                        Yes ente is still new and haven't released v1 yet but they are doing awesome work and I'm currently trying it, I hope they will sustain well and keep there mission's core for the years to come !

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                                        yep! and now you can even self host ente!

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                                          Stupid question:

                                          Where do you put your self-host server?

                                          At home? Idk where y'all live but most American homes are made of wood, and that aint good for fires. (And even if not wood, fires can still exist.)

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                                          I host servers both out of my home, out my wife's office and I also have some cloud servers at Digital Ocean.

                                          If you're worried about data loss (and you should be) you need offsite backups. I have actually lost data to a fire (in 2009) and to a hard disk crash when I didn't learn my lesson the first time (in 2014). Never again.

                                          I have backup servers at both my house and my wife's office. If you don't have a wife with a convenient office for this purpose, you could probably find a self host buddy to host your backup server (and maybe you could host your buddy's back up server, a friend and I used to do this years ago). You could also encrypt everything and then back the encrypted files up to the cloud, secure that the fascists almost certainly can't decrypt them, even if they get their hands on the raw data.

                                          You can automate this. There are tools that can help. I'm kind of a power user and I just use rsync, scp, minio and database replication to automate my various backups, so I'm a bad person to ask about the easier to use tools that can do this. However, either of those communities I posted are full of people with better answers and I know that less DIY back up tools exist.

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