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Microsoft tells Windows 10 users to just trade in their PC for a newer one, because how hard can it be?

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  • B [email protected]

    So basically, Ubuntu just with a different name and paint job. (I've used them both)

    We are all at the most basic level, running pretty much the same kernel, one of the same small handful of desktop environments, and we choose from the same pool of software, (unless you need to get out into the weeds for a program on git hub). Everything else is either window dressing, (package mangers are window dressing-- they all do the same basic thing), or a choice on just how close to the bleeding edge we want to be, (rolling releases or immutable).

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    No snap by default is on its own a huge difference. Far from window dressing.

    If you give a new user snaps, many things will not work as they expect, and that is not a hurdle beginners should have to pass.

    Nobody cares about kernel, I don't even know anyone who builds their own (I use Gentoo btw), they either go bleed, or stable, nothing in between.

    But package delivery matters a lot.

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      The fact that people HAD to learn to use Windows, too. It's just in the past and appears easy because they already can. If a person used computers with Linux from the start, it would be as easy for them as for Windows users.

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      That, and that practically all courses that taught (teach?) how to use a computer, use Windows, MS Office, and other Windows-based software.

      There was some nonprofit (I think it was One Laptop Per Child) that gave laptops with Linux preinstalled, Sugar for elementary school students and I think Ubuntu for highschool students.

      My youngest niece at least knows her way around Ubuntu.

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      • moe90@feddit.nlM [email protected]
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        How much could a new PC be Michael, $10?

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          Bring on the cheap non windows 11 computers. I've already told everyone i know if they didn't want to have to buy another computer for years they just had to start using linux. Then I show them what that looks like if they are interested. I show them that they can put menu/start button at the bottom left if thats what they want. That they can have a the same browser they use and many of the same applications. I've had two people willing to try. Most insist that they don't want to learn anything new. Its depressing but its a boon for me when people start getting rid of their perfectly usable gear.

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            I switched to Linux on my laptops years ago. Recently, I retired and started playing video games like Skyrim. I play on a Nintendo Switch. I considered playing Skyrim on a laptop so I could use/build mods. I bought a laptop with Windows 11 and spent forty minutes removing the bloat, ads, spyware, ai nonsense, and other dross, fixing it so it did not 'update' to restore everything I deleted, and installing my preferred alternatives (browser, search, email etc). It reminded me why I hate Windows almost as much as Mac OS (which is even more controlling). Microsoft have hundreds of engineers 'enshitifying' everything. It is more than a full-time job trying to stop them and block their 'improvements'. I am retired. I have better things to do.

            I did not enjoy playing games with a laptop (hurts my arthritis, I prefer using a console and an easy chair) and resented having to reverse engineer everything I installed to keep it running but without sacrificing my privacy so the laptop now just sits in a drawer. It amazes me that anyone still tolerates Microsoft products, or any of the monopolists stuff. Why is anyone still using google search or chrome browser, why bing or any of it? Why is anyone still seeing adverts? Why is everyone still being fed by algorithms? You must chose this - but why? I always sought out better and if it did not exist, I built it, and if I could not build it, I did without. There is a lot of dumbing-down around technology. Back in C20th, we used to build our own hardware, write our own software. We were skilled hobbyists (later I got an M.Sc. to reinforce my hobby skills with theory and even ran a business for a while as an engineer). Around 2000 +/- five years, the monopolists offered 'help' in the form of WYSIWYG editors to write code for us or 'click buttons to register your account' platforms to host content for us instead of us running our own websites (blogger, wordpress, facebook, twitter etc). They dumbed us all down, farmed us like animals for data and used clickbait to get ad revenue and undermined our politics, culture, even changed our sense of being human. Now old folk can build resources but younger people can only consume. We have to re-skill and resist the seduction of the easy and free-to-use. There's no such thing as a free lunch. Never trust a tech bro, whether USA or any nationality.

            Personally, I want to 'jail break' my Switch and make mods for my console version of Skyrim. I can't do that now as it is illegal but when they bring out the Switch 2 and the old console is 'obsolete' and they stop trying to get money for Skyrim, I reckon we tinkerers will get a chance to re-purpose the old console to play the old games in our own way. I reckon some exciting engineering is happening amongst the recyclers and re-purposers rather than amongst the corporates. I only buy second-hand for ethical reasons and to save money. I always install my own software based on AOSP or use a more ethical distro or alternative to the commercial options. I always debloat or degoogle or remove unwanted stuff. I wish that kind of personalisation were more common. There is a zero sum relationship with tech: either the technology controls you, or you control it. I urge you to control your own tech. Don't be enslaved by it. I feel I am in a minority in wanting sovereignty over my damn phone. It makes me sad.

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            Personally, I want to 'jail break' my Switch and make mods for my console version of Skyrim.

            Why not just get a steam deck?

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              Go google it.

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              good simple advice, I like it

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                Can't game 100% on Linux now all game work well enough and driver issues.

                If not we wouldn't be on Windows.

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                I decided not to trade freedom for microtransactions years before I even switched to linux, personally. If a game can't run without literal spyware, I probably haven't played it.

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                  Adobe and ease of use

                  I need Adobe, specifically Lightroom, because there’s no alternative. I can’t just stop using it as a semi-professional photographer (I make money from it, just not a ton).

                  Darktable doesn’t handle large libraries well and also is missing features such as AI remove and integration with photoshop for splitting photos up for social media posts.

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                  If it came down to ditching adobe or quitting photography I would quit photography and I love taking photos lol.

                  Adobe is a threat to the photography industry for many reasons (especially to future photographers who want to follow in your footsteps) you should reconsider your options.

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                    Actually you can get the IoT Enterprise LTSC here and do your windows thing until 2032

                    https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

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                      Always wandering why it isn' t possible for Microsoft to maintain their version and update all along. Linux can do it, Android can do it. I' m not sure about Apple.
                      I switched to Linux years ago and I'm still most satisfied about my choice. My current laptop is from 2009 and can still go on for years. That is what you call sustainability

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                        Gaming is 100 percent not 'on par' I've exclusively used Linux for years now, and consistently run into issues not present on windows.

                        Is it good enough? Almost, but there are hugely critical aspects missing.

                        Lots of simulators (I racing, fanatec) lack support
                        Anti cheats as mentioned.
                        Plain old poor performance.

                        Protondb only lists 20 percent of titles as 'platinum' rated, with most gold games needing tweaks.

                        30 percent of titles are silver or lower.

                        I still to this day get hitching and stuttering as data is streamed into memory in many games, sekiro recently comes to mind, making any level transition exceedingly annoying.

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                        Gaming is 100 percent not 'on par' I've exclusively used Linux for years now, and consistently run into issues not present on windows.

                        I have a LARGE diverse library of games I bought when I was gaming on windows.

                        Literally all of them work fine on my steam deck except a handful of AAA games from companies hostile to linux, some really ancient DOS games actually work better like Steel Panthers/winspmbt.

                        I am sorry but especially if you are into indie games even a little, your perspective is no longer indicative for the experience of gaming on linux in general.

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                          Personally, I want to 'jail break' my Switch and make mods for my console version of Skyrim.

                          Why not just get a steam deck?

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                          I tried creating a Steam account and was blocked by the revolving captcha security thing - took days to try to get help from their customer care and by the time they got back to me I had lost interest. I spent the waitjng time researching Valve and I decided they are not an ethical business. Made me sad as I loved the idea of a customised-for-gaming-on-console linux OS and liked the look of the hardware. But Valve is a monopolist and has too much market share and too many users and thus too much power - USA politics today shows how big a risk that is. Valve supports unethical business models like 'rent game to play', AI-generated junk games and IP violations so it debases game development and hurts indy developers, live-streaming games which is bad for environment. It promotes 'easy access/always on gaming' and is thus profiting from addiction-to-gaming, which ix a MASSIVE problem and few gamers admit it. It's an American corporation and I distrust American corporate culture. Most of which might be said of other console/platforms so its not just Valve/Steam, I feel wary of but the whole industry. I bought a second-hand Switch so did not help Nintendo/Japanese corporate power directly. I bought a bundle of 2nd-hand games on sd card with minimal download content (except for 'No Man's Sky' which constantly updates). I am trying to be an ethical gamer - limit my time gaming to stop me becoming an addict etc. But I admit I am compromised - I spend too much time gaming, being retired its easy to lose track of time. Honestly, I feel like a vegan who wraps bacon in thick wholemeal sandwiches and pretends they are not really eating pigs since its mainly bread. I am 'a work in progress'.

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                            I tried creating a Steam account and was blocked by the revolving captcha security thing - took days to try to get help from their customer care and by the time they got back to me I had lost interest. I spent the waitjng time researching Valve and I decided they are not an ethical business. Made me sad as I loved the idea of a customised-for-gaming-on-console linux OS and liked the look of the hardware. But Valve is a monopolist and has too much market share and too many users and thus too much power - USA politics today shows how big a risk that is. Valve supports unethical business models like 'rent game to play', AI-generated junk games and IP violations so it debases game development and hurts indy developers, live-streaming games which is bad for environment. It promotes 'easy access/always on gaming' and is thus profiting from addiction-to-gaming, which ix a MASSIVE problem and few gamers admit it. It's an American corporation and I distrust American corporate culture. Most of which might be said of other console/platforms so its not just Valve/Steam, I feel wary of but the whole industry. I bought a second-hand Switch so did not help Nintendo/Japanese corporate power directly. I bought a bundle of 2nd-hand games on sd card with minimal download content (except for 'No Man's Sky' which constantly updates). I am trying to be an ethical gamer - limit my time gaming to stop me becoming an addict etc. But I admit I am compromised - I spend too much time gaming, being retired its easy to lose track of time. Honestly, I feel like a vegan who wraps bacon in thick wholemeal sandwiches and pretends they are not really eating pigs since its mainly bread. I am 'a work in progress'.

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                            ok, but you are ok with Nintendo then??

                            The form factor of switch/steam deck is expanding, valve doesn't by any means have a stranglehold over it, they are by far the biggest player but the benefits to linux gaming are shared across the board which opens up the entire industry not closes it down?

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                              The problem is there are a billion versions of linux, idk what one to choosex idk if i can play my steam games on linux, everyone who talks about linux seems to be a programmer /coder, and uses jargon that i don't even understand, so idk if I'll even be able to USE linux. And if I ask any questions I feel like it's all gonna end up sounsing like another language to me.

                              The whole idea of moving to linux is overwhelming.

                              But I'm starting to hate windows 11. And fuck Apple all together.

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                              You should start with a friendly Linux version, Ubuntu flavor.

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                              • kazerniel@lemmy.worldK [email protected]

                                Sadly nothing for Adobe InDesign, which is like 2/3 of my workflow 😞 (Also I don't see an option to filter to Linux programs on that site.)

                                I spent half hour searching on alternativeto.net just now, but for the 3 Adobe programs I use (InDesign, Illustrator, Photoshop) all FLOSS Linux options seem to be lacking essential features. Based on comments, even in more popular alternatives, features like PDF exporting or CMYK colour handling require workarounds or additional external programs.

                                (Re. searching only for FLOSS: I'm not opposed to paying for software, but when I enabled that option on alternativeto.net, a lot of results were subscription-based, which I do strongly oppose 😕 )

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                                It is how it is. 🙂 Stay with what works for you.

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                                  Gaming. The only reason I went from Ubuntu to Windows.

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                                  Maybe buying a dedicated gaming device would be the option? Separation of concerns?

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                                    Adobe and ease of use

                                    I need Adobe, specifically Lightroom, because there’s no alternative. I can’t just stop using it as a semi-professional photographer (I make money from it, just not a ton).

                                    Darktable doesn’t handle large libraries well and also is missing features such as AI remove and integration with photoshop for splitting photos up for social media posts.

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                                    Use what works for you.

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                                      Trade in to whom, to Linux users?.. Actually a good idea, not sure MS understood which almost logically complete advice they gave.

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                                        Hah. Good luck trying to make me dispose of the computer I built almost a decade ago and that I just upgraded. Not even my laptops have outlived or outperformed this baby.

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                                        It might be time to release the shackles of Windows and head on over to Linux.

                                        Or I guess you could get Windows 10 LTSC.

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                                          Gaming is 100 percent not 'on par' I've exclusively used Linux for years now, and consistently run into issues not present on windows.

                                          I have a LARGE diverse library of games I bought when I was gaming on windows.

                                          Literally all of them work fine on my steam deck except a handful of AAA games from companies hostile to linux, some really ancient DOS games actually work better like Steel Panthers/winspmbt.

                                          I am sorry but especially if you are into indie games even a little, your perspective is no longer indicative for the experience of gaming on linux in general.

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                                          Don't gaslight me. The games you play may work fine, but the games I play don't always. And the games I play are almost exclusively single player small scale indie games. I play games on Linux just about every day, exclusively. My experience is that, while serviceable it's just strictly not on par, as you claim. Though you contradict yourself anyway by hand waving games that don't work.

                                          I don't understand the need that people have to pretend like it's all perfect. Attitude like yours is toxic, diminishing the experience of others in order to pretend like there are not any issues, trying to put the onus on the user for playing the wrong games or not conforming to the idea that proton is a perfect solution.

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