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Don't fix the problem just change the parameters

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    I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn't immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it's to be taught to think in another way.

    I think that kids "learning how to learn" is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.

    This is minor,
    but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do

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    Learning how to write with a pen is a waste of time..?

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      My daughter got analog clocks before she could read when she was about three years old. IMHO it's a teaching skill issue. Take a normal wall clock, remove all hands except the hour hand, split the day into segments (brushing teeth, lunch, Kindergarten, etc.) and draw (did that in Gimp) some nice symbols and colors. Done. Explain stuff every time she asks "when" using that wall clock. Let that sink in for a year. Now add the minute hand back in.

      Analog clocks are not really "obsolete" if you ask me. Hands on a circle aren't used enough. We have "clocks" (this time inverted - the circle spins and the hand/indicator is fixed) out of cardboards for a week to learn the days of the week, including "activity" symbols for kindergarten, "weekend", "music lesson", etc. a wheel for "day of the month", and one for month of the year also showing seasons.

      The total amount of time that was invested in building those was about three or four hours but the value is huge when you have something to point to when she asks anything about time no matter it's about when we go to sleep, birthdays, holidays, etc.

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      birthdays? so you have a clock with 365 (+¼) minutes?

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        Big Ben will be digital by 2028...

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          This has got to be AI written or cherry picked data. They’re pulling clocks to save a few $ if anything. Old schools used to have synchronized analog systems. I could easily see those things being removed.

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            It's an easy way to introduce fractions, especially since it's common to hear/say it's a quarter passed 2, half passed 5, and a quarter to 9.

            Also teaches multiples, since the numbers on the clock represent multiples of 5.

            Helps with directions, clockwise is when the hands spin to the right and counter-clockwise to the left. You'd be amazed how many students can't tell their left from right.

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            You'd be amazed how many students can't tell their left from right.

            wtf? this goes back further than analogue clocks.. we used to have a ribbon on one hand until we learned to distinguish right from left

            next you're gonna tell me kids can't tie shoe laces anymore right?

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              They also have a calculator any time they want, why are we requiring mental arithmetic, sweetie?

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              So digital clocks should be allowed in exams that allow calculators? I mean both are taught in the lower grades and if calculators are allowed in high school, so should digital clocks be, at least according to your logic

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                Probably not -- time isn't that relevant before society puts you on the path towards hourly labor. I learned in elementary, but then I also grew up with digital clocks like most folks under 50.

                Edit: apparently we have either a lot of on-the-clock preschoolers or folks who don't know when digital clock radios were invented. Perhaps both. If you cared about the clock time before you were 5 I feel sorry for you.

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                we yearned for the mines.. but we didn't need no stinking clock because it was always dark.
                canary sure was useful though.

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                  How did the seconds end up with three digits?

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                  micro seconds

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                    So digital clocks should be allowed in exams that allow calculators? I mean both are taught in the lower grades and if calculators are allowed in high school, so should digital clocks be, at least according to your logic

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                    So digital clocks should be allowed in exams that allow calculators?

                    Read again. Slowly.

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                      Very true yes, but even considering kids that aren't as inclined to learn on their own, it can't be too difficult for an adult or even older sibling to sit down for 5 minutes or so and explain it while watching the clock with them. It could be made even easier if you put it side by side with a synchronized digital clock/watch.

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                      yeh but that's a very slippery slope..

                      before long (no clue how long if you can't read an analogue clock) you'll have to teach them about 24 hrs in a day, 7 days in a week, 4 weeks in a month, 12 months a year. 365.
                      and why we have a Gregorian calendar why it wasn't always that way.
                      oh yeah, and the 29th of February (leap years).

                      ain't nobody got time for that

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                        I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.

                        Like cursive they are obsolete.

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                        because a digital clock is not right twice a day

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                          Digital clocks are just objectively better. They are easier to read, cheaper, and more accurate. While the reason for swapping out the clocks is bad, the end result is still good.

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                          they don't make the satisfying tik tik though

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                            I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn't immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it's to be taught to think in another way.

                            I think that kids "learning how to learn" is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.

                            This is minor,
                            but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do

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                            We should make everyone mad. Don't teach them to read analog clocks. Teach them to read digital clocks and sundials.

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                              Analogue clocks are a great example of kids having to understand a concept and apply it. And it's simple enough that anyone can learn it.

                              I often see examples where children are required to memorize a set solution, instead of showing understanding and reaching the solutions themselves.

                              These clocks are somewhat dated, but removing them just feels like another symptom of a failing educational system.

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                              Nah let's ditch the analog clocks and instead teach them sundials. That will really stretch their brains.

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                                Analog clocks are dated? Let's get rid of books because we have kindles. Just something was invented a very long time ago doesn't make it obsolete by any means. Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers? Those things are really somewhat dated.

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                                Do you know how to read a sundial?

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                                  They still exist and will continue to exist in many contexts indefinitely, such as men's fashion and clock towers, so there it's not like they'll ever be "obsolete" per se. They are also extremely easy to learn, and are a good way to teach concepts like spatial reasoning and gears to kids. I think schools should teach about them for those reasons.

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                                  I'm tired of your modern woke bullshit. Why are you trying to teach kids to read clocks with mechanical hands? Use a sundial like a normal person.

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                                    You'd be amazed how many students can't tell their left from right.

                                    wtf? this goes back further than analogue clocks.. we used to have a ribbon on one hand until we learned to distinguish right from left

                                    next you're gonna tell me kids can't tie shoe laces anymore right?

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                                    I understand that learning left from right is a skill to learn. However, it was rare for a teenager to be unable to distinguish their left from right, unlike today.

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                                      I understand that learning left from right is a skill to learn. However, it was rare for a teenager to be unable to distinguish their left from right, unlike today.

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                                      so kids these days are no longer taught that two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do? wild

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                                        So digital clocks should be allowed in exams that allow calculators?

                                        Read again. Slowly.

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                                        You said we are required mental arithmetic which isn't the case in higher education

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                                          It's definetrly because they don't want to teach this thing that takes like 10 minutes to explain and not because recalibrating every daylight savings hour one by one is a hassle.

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