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Don't fix the problem just change the parameters

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  • F [email protected]

    They also have a calculator any time they want, why are we requiring mental arithmetic, sweetie?

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    So digital clocks should be allowed in exams that allow calculators? I mean both are taught in the lower grades and if calculators are allowed in high school, so should digital clocks be, at least according to your logic

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    • B [email protected]

      Probably not -- time isn't that relevant before society puts you on the path towards hourly labor. I learned in elementary, but then I also grew up with digital clocks like most folks under 50.

      Edit: apparently we have either a lot of on-the-clock preschoolers or folks who don't know when digital clock radios were invented. Perhaps both. If you cared about the clock time before you were 5 I feel sorry for you.

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      we yearned for the mines.. but we didn't need no stinking clock because it was always dark.
      canary sure was useful though.

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      • bleistift2@sopuli.xyzB [email protected]

        How did the seconds end up with three digits?

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        micro seconds

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          So digital clocks should be allowed in exams that allow calculators? I mean both are taught in the lower grades and if calculators are allowed in high school, so should digital clocks be, at least according to your logic

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          So digital clocks should be allowed in exams that allow calculators?

          Read again. Slowly.

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            Very true yes, but even considering kids that aren't as inclined to learn on their own, it can't be too difficult for an adult or even older sibling to sit down for 5 minutes or so and explain it while watching the clock with them. It could be made even easier if you put it side by side with a synchronized digital clock/watch.

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            yeh but that's a very slippery slope..

            before long (no clue how long if you can't read an analogue clock) you'll have to teach them about 24 hrs in a day, 7 days in a week, 4 weeks in a month, 12 months a year. 365.
            and why we have a Gregorian calendar why it wasn't always that way.
            oh yeah, and the 29th of February (leap years).

            ain't nobody got time for that

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            • I [email protected]

              I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.

              Like cursive they are obsolete.

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              because a digital clock is not right twice a day

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                Digital clocks are just objectively better. They are easier to read, cheaper, and more accurate. While the reason for swapping out the clocks is bad, the end result is still good.

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                they don't make the satisfying tik tik though

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                  I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn't immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it's to be taught to think in another way.

                  I think that kids "learning how to learn" is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.

                  This is minor,
                  but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do

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                  We should make everyone mad. Don't teach them to read analog clocks. Teach them to read digital clocks and sundials.

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                  • H [email protected]

                    Analogue clocks are a great example of kids having to understand a concept and apply it. And it's simple enough that anyone can learn it.

                    I often see examples where children are required to memorize a set solution, instead of showing understanding and reaching the solutions themselves.

                    These clocks are somewhat dated, but removing them just feels like another symptom of a failing educational system.

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                    Nah let's ditch the analog clocks and instead teach them sundials. That will really stretch their brains.

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                      Analog clocks are dated? Let's get rid of books because we have kindles. Just something was invented a very long time ago doesn't make it obsolete by any means. Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers? Those things are really somewhat dated.

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                      Do you know how to read a sundial?

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                      • ibaudia@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

                        They still exist and will continue to exist in many contexts indefinitely, such as men's fashion and clock towers, so there it's not like they'll ever be "obsolete" per se. They are also extremely easy to learn, and are a good way to teach concepts like spatial reasoning and gears to kids. I think schools should teach about them for those reasons.

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                        I'm tired of your modern woke bullshit. Why are you trying to teach kids to read clocks with mechanical hands? Use a sundial like a normal person.

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                          You'd be amazed how many students can't tell their left from right.

                          wtf? this goes back further than analogue clocks.. we used to have a ribbon on one hand until we learned to distinguish right from left

                          next you're gonna tell me kids can't tie shoe laces anymore right?

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                          I understand that learning left from right is a skill to learn. However, it was rare for a teenager to be unable to distinguish their left from right, unlike today.

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                            I understand that learning left from right is a skill to learn. However, it was rare for a teenager to be unable to distinguish their left from right, unlike today.

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                            so kids these days are no longer taught that two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do? wild

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                              So digital clocks should be allowed in exams that allow calculators?

                              Read again. Slowly.

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                              You said we are required mental arithmetic which isn't the case in higher education

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                                It's definetrly because they don't want to teach this thing that takes like 10 minutes to explain and not because recalibrating every daylight savings hour one by one is a hassle.

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                                • F [email protected]

                                  .... Unless the parents are idiots as well.

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                                  No doubt the parents are idiots just like their kids

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                                    I've had, and honestly still do have issue with reading it rather than understanding. At least the way I was taught, it just sounds really weird, like 15:40 being "5 minutes till quarter to 4 in the afternoon".
                                    I don't need to think about "fifteen forty".

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                                    thinking is hard

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                                    • L [email protected]

                                      You said we are required mental arithmetic which isn't the case in higher education

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                                      Let me take a guess: you may have heard about higher education at some point. Apart from that, read again and again. Slowly. Few times.

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                                        No doubt the parents are idiots just like their kids

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                                        Reversed Darwin. More and more of these.

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                                        • D [email protected]

                                          One part of me wants to feel disappointed that kids aren't learning to read analog clocks, but another part of me thinks there was a time when people grew disappointed that the younger generations stopped learning to use an abacus in favor of digital calculators. I certainly don't want some old geezer giving me shit because I don't want to learn to use an abacus. I also don't want to be that old geezer.

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                                          very few continue to use an abacus. analog clocks will still be around for decades

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