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We live in a world where there are animals that take the place of other animals' tongue; where insects farm other insects; where parasites live in the skin of animals and different animals eat them, forming a symbiotic relationship; where predators often kill for fun.
Normal is the right word.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Normal, natural and necessary are the three N's of Carnism. Also:
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #1:
Lions eat meat tooYes, animals kill in the wild - to survive. We humans are, as opposed to predators or parasites, omnivores. We know how to grow crops, vegetables, etc. and cultivate fields. We have a choice, a conscience and we have ethics.
Are you identifying with the intelligence and life situation of that of a lion or a tongue parasite? Do you also commonly ask yourself "What would a tongue parasite do in my place right now"? Are lions that kill newborns of other lions, for example, really good role models?Vegan Bullshit Bingo #54
Well, humans just are on top of the food chain.Shouldn't you take responsibility in the role of the stronger and be considerate with your power? Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you have to. Otherwise you could maltreat children, handicapped people and all other physically disabled people for fun. Of course we don't do that because it would be immoral. Why should this moral understanding suddenly no longer apply to other species? Wouldn't we also wish for mercy and compassion if tomorrow a species superior to us colonized the earth?
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You're not allowed to say the truth and make milk boys feel weird.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]"Udder Boys against the Oatification of Milk!"
Damn, I need to copyright that!
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What happens to the other 97%?
they're brought to full weight and slaughtered, or become dairy cows and produce milk
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I've looked at the USDA data about veal, and to my recollection it was less than 3% of calves that became veal
Half of the newborns are male and killed for veal, no?
no
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You are right, I buy organic as often as I can to not support the spraying of poison. And I usually eat whole grains, as you suggested, as it is much healthier.
we add tons of god knows what chemicals
This ticks #9 of the Vegan Bullshit Bingo. I'm from Europe and our basic organic oatmilk comes with stuff made from algue, seeds and plant oils. This is used everywhere in foodprocessing. Look it up, no dangerous "chemicals" to be found. There are brands that add sugar and artificial flavor, sure. Udders milk has about 5% sugar (lactose) and oat milk usually doesn't transcends this.
There is (almost) no baby killing going on
Half of the newborns are male and killed for veal, no? And the females get to be raised, milked and killed after a couple of years, so McDonald's can sell you cheap beef burgers.
most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #17: Cows need to be milked
We did that to them by breeding them like that. That's Bullshit Bingo #32.Also, if you don't want to grow so much oat and soy because it destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don't feed animals, feed people! We're losing like 80% of the calories by giving it to cows. Here is a graph from the BBC
I live like 200 meters away from a dairy farm, no shit.
soy ... destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don't feed animals, feed people!
the vast majority ( over 80% ) of soy is pressed for oil. the byproduct of that process is called soycake or soy meal, and it would be industrial waste if we didn't feed it to livestock. that's a conservation of resources.
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soy ... destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don't feed animals, feed people!
the vast majority ( over 80% ) of soy is pressed for oil. the byproduct of that process is called soycake or soy meal, and it would be industrial waste if we didn't feed it to livestock. that's a conservation of resources.
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I don't know where you got your stats, but according to the fao 17% of the weight of the global soy crop becomes oil, but a soybean is only about 20% oil in total. that means some 85% of the crop is pressed for oil. that byproduct being fed to livestock is a benefit.
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"are you saying i should damage my home when i can just damage the environment and everyone around me and make it everyone else's problem instead?"
yes. deal with your own shit, or if you don't want to, don't smoke.
and your argument about cars is invalid on multiple fronts. first of all having worse things doesn't make anything okay. you can't punch someone out of nowhere and when called out on it say "well murders are more damaging so if anything I'm pretty chill". second of all I'm anti car as well and would ban all cars except public transport and emergency services if i had the say. fuck cars. but fuck smokers more. at least there's an imposed necessity for cars due to flawed infrastructure.
there's not only zero necessity for smoking but also no benefits and no redeeming qualities. I'd much prefer it if you were addicted to heroin because you can't do it all the time everywhere and there's no such thing as second hand shooting heroin.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]How is me damaging a home that I rent in order to damage other's experience a better solution than just you know, using the carbon cycles that exist at a tangible rate?
Cars are a pollutant, the only ouright negative of smoking is pollution of lungs. However as you prefer heroin, maybe you are just outright wrong.
Other than that, ashes are good for the earth. If you use a filter then that's pollution, I don't.
Zero necessity is in my opinion wrong. I don't need these, but they historically and traditionally have been used as both heat sources in the cold. Meditative guides and casual incenses are just smoking but without even any outright pleasure.
Then again, you sound like a child of modernity and have not seen the aeons before you. You use the name pyre and know not the meaning. Hate for the smoke of which you would dispel.
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whole...?
i get that it would taste like cream, that taste takes over.
Are you asking what whole milk is, or...?
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Are you asking what whole milk is, or...?
yeah ive never heard the term.
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yeah ive never heard the term.
Ah... Well I'm sure you can figure out google if you really care.
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Ok I recognise the last two movies… but what are the first two?
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they're brought to full weight and slaughtered, or become dairy cows and produce milk
wrote on last edited by [email protected]An example of what people accept as normal:
In 2020, 4.9 million dairy calves were born in New Zealand. Exact numbers are not collected on the outcome of each calf, but NZ dairy industry lobby organisation DairyNZ estimate that of those:
2 million (40%) were bobby calves, who are killed around a week after birth.
1.4 million (28%) were female cows kept by dairy farmers to replace the 20-30% of older cows who will be slaughtered every year when they are no longer deemed productive.
1.3 million (27%) were raised to maturity for beef. Beef animals are generally slaughtered when they reach maturity at around one and half years old.
196,000 (4%) were born dead or die shortly after birth.
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Ah... Well I'm sure you can figure out google if you really care.
well annoyingly it's mostly ads and ai and lifestyle tips. but ok, it's just 3%. i thought it was weirder than that.
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I don't know where you got your stats, but according to the fao 17% of the weight of the global soy crop becomes oil, but a soybean is only about 20% oil in total. that means some 85% of the crop is pressed for oil. that byproduct being fed to livestock is a benefit.
I think I made by point and presented enough sources. I'm obviously not going to change your mind at this time.
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An example of what people accept as normal:
In 2020, 4.9 million dairy calves were born in New Zealand. Exact numbers are not collected on the outcome of each calf, but NZ dairy industry lobby organisation DairyNZ estimate that of those:
2 million (40%) were bobby calves, who are killed around a week after birth.
1.4 million (28%) were female cows kept by dairy farmers to replace the 20-30% of older cows who will be slaughtered every year when they are no longer deemed productive.
1.3 million (27%) were raised to maturity for beef. Beef animals are generally slaughtered when they reach maturity at around one and half years old.
196,000 (4%) were born dead or die shortly after birth.
doesn't look like any of them become veal at all in nz.
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I think I made by point and presented enough sources. I'm obviously not going to change your mind at this time.
have a nice day
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Ok I recognise the last two movies… but what are the first two?
Top right is Inglorious Basterds. Not sure about top left.
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That image will haunt the web until its end.
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doesn't look like any of them become veal at all in nz.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]What are you talking about? It says 40% are male and killed as veal within a week.
