Germany is on its way to facism

[geometrinen_gepardi@sopuli.xyz]

Exactly, people on Lemmy call just about anything they don't agree with fascist. If everything is fascist, nothing is.

[sharemysims@lemmy.dbzer0.com]

Just a point of note - the liberation by outside forces last time wasn't done for the benefit of those being exterminated (hell, every single one of the allies had a significant part in either rejecting refugees, or actively doing oppressing and outright exterminating of their own before the war even started), but for the benefit of those countries leaders, and finances.

So there might be liberation, but it'll only exist to enable us to return to "normalcy" which is the capitalist status quo that keeps leading to world wars (because they're that profitable).

[atro_city@fedia.io]

If Germans once again vote like sheeple, I'm not sure how the rest of Europe will react this time. Maybe it'll be the same mistake of "nah, they surely won't be that crazy" until tanks roll into Warsaw and Paris. Who knows.

But the German population has the chance to stop this at the next elections. They just have to decide that they want to. If not, well, they make their own beds.

[dumnezero@piefed.social]

Specifically, the conservative/fascist sphere has figured out, via brute testing, how to refine their "narative" stories and marketing of those stories, alongside with how to use social media for it (personalized messaging and astroturfing). They know how to hack the masses or at least the relevant electorate.

[subarctictundra@lemmy.ml]

I wonder why they chose to do it right before the elections

[barsoap@lemm.ee]

It's Einfache Sprache, nowhere close to the formal register.

[dumnezero@piefed.social]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/adolf-hitler-secret-billionaire

[cows_are_underrated@feddit.org]

Sadly a lot of the voters dont care. It is literally the same as in the US, where over 50% voted for a facist.

[faercol@lemmy.blahaj.zone]

I'm French, and honestly, I don't think tanks would roll into Paris like you said. France would 100% go fascist as well...

[melchior@feddit.org]

Most of the rest of Europe has similar issues. Poland has had PiS for a long time, France sees Macron working with LePen, Italy is right wing under Meloni, Netherlands have the right wing in party in the government right now and there are plenty more. Germany is pretty much the last large country standing and this looks bad.

[obviouslynotbanana@lemmy.world]

I don't know if France would go fascist, since I'm not french, but one other caveat against tanks rolling into Paris is that France has nukes.

[inlandempire@jlai.lu]

the french gov has been flirting with fascist rhetoric for the past 6 years

[obviouslynotbanana@lemmy.world]

I'm not disagreeing with you. I am just not too involved in the intricacies of French governance. But I can say that nukes would be a deterrent against a German invasion!

[inlandempire@jlai.lu]

oh for sure

[redstonevalley@sh.itjust.works]

basically because they assume they could steal votes from the far right by adopting far right topics themselves. It's been proven that this doesn't work though. People then tend to vote for the "original" instead. In fact, adopting far right positions even has a net positive effect for the far right party because a mainstream party now validates their propaganda.

[federalreverse@feddit.org]

I'm all in favor of a "Word War"! Sounds much more fun than a world war.

[_lordmcnuggets_@feddit.org]

My theory is that Merz is looking to poach AfD voters, by "aligning" with their biggest point of immigration to strengthen his chancellor candidacy. But I'm also not THAT informed on the current events.

[federalreverse@feddit.org]

So the situation is horrible, and would have been completely unnecessary. And there's also no rational power reasoning for this proposal -- this stuff is hurting rather than helping CDU's chances, as it drives people either further right or further left/center.

But I am not happy with the title here:

Germany is on its way to facism

That's not a good way to put it imo, because it presages a future that might not and hopefully won't happen.

What's true is that "conservatives" (CDU/CSU) and "libertarians" (FDP) almost unanimously voted for a populist, useless, unhelpful, racist act that goes both against the German constitution and against EU rules. And they're their repeating historic mistakes here too.

Tl;dr: We are fucked.

No, we are not yet h*cked. Afd was polling at 22% in the beginning of last year, and they lost 8 percentage points in a matter of months, because people took to the streets to form some of the largest protests Germany has seen. If you're German - go out and protest this week! https://demokrateam.org has a list.

[mrs_dewinter@feddit.org]

you will need it eventually for its actual meaning.

Yeah, that time is now and this is what we need it for.

The next time to use it would be retrospectively, when historians try to explain how democracy died in Germany again.

[cows_are_underrated@feddit.org]

I guess, that he really wants to work together with them. He regularly uses their talking points and hints into the direction that people have to talk with them. The latest homicide (an immigrant killed a man and a 2 year old) is great for shifting the discourse to the right.