Kagi Introducing Fair Pricing

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"You can't call me buddy" - proceeds to call "homeboy".

I explained my reasons, if you disagree or you decided not to read them it is your problem. Keep your compassion for those who need it.

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Lots of western companies have divested from working with/in Russia even though it has cost them lots of money. Some because that's a legal requirement (sanctions), some because it's the right thing to do.

Not doing so is supporting Russia.

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Changed my mind, you are an idiot. My bad.

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From how I understand it, VAT only applies from a certain amount of revenue, so they didn't have to pay it before but do now. Could be wrong though

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That’s a brilliant idea to keep reporting users who abandoned the service as active users.

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There are a ton of imports that are not (yet) sanctioned, and therefore tons of companies that did not divest.

As I mentioned, when possible or equivalent I absolutely support the choice. In this case, there are conflicting benefits and everyone can do their choices based on the way they value the different benefits.

This obviously can't be an absolute moral argument, otherwise residing in US or Russia (or UAE, or China and many many more countries) would be immoral ipso facto, and same for buying any product made by any company in those countries.
The globalized world makes this basically impossible.

Anyway, I feel we are going in circles now, so I will close it here.

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"Oh no, a person who didn't demonstrate any quality worth of respect so far is calling me names".
Spare the effort, insults only work when someone values your opinion. You clearly demonstrated not being able to even argue your opinion.

Now I will block you and go earn my salary lobbying in other threads /s

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You seem angry. Wanna talk?

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The real fair pricing would've been to only charge for the credits you actually use.

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Seems such a weird edge case to me. If I pay for a search engine you can rely on me using it as my primary search engine. And I search the Internet daily, and certainly monthly. So this change wouldn't help me at all

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I wish they'd offer an llm free version with no cap on searches. Their products are too expensive and it feels like it is mostly to pay for the llms. I can’t justify paying that much for a product I am never going to use.

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They do. The $10/month search plan is unlimited.

The only LLM stuff in their search product is the quick answers which can be turned off and page summaries which you have to explicitly click on in a submenu in any case.

As someone aware of how limited LLMs are, I've found both of these features to be useful at times for gauging whether a site is worth visiting or not which is part of the core feature set of a search engine IMHO.

A good while back they claimed that Google search index fees make up the vast majority of their costs, so I doubt any of your money is going towards LLM BS unless you actually pay for their assistant product.

I'd expect the development of all of their product to be mostly funded by VC. If they can get VC idiots who fell for the """AI""" hype to subsidise building an actually useful thing (the search product), that's a win in my book, even if they also have to build the AI crap on the side to keep said VC idiots happy.

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Kind cool to see a profitable company like that. I worked on a place that for years was burning millions of dollars every month in hopes of eventually making it work out

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SearXNG ftw ! Also , who the heck stop using an entire month a search engine. Maybe in very isolated cases like vacations, or medic leaves, but come on...

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Which instance do you use? Or do you selfhost it? It has been hit and miss for me. Not sure if I’m doing it wrong

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After reading that essay I feel a lot more queasy about using Kagi. It's just that I really despise ads, but I'm willing to put up with it, if the search engine company is more ethical.
For the moment I've downgraded my account from 10 to 5 bucks a month. I wasn't using any of the AI features anyway.

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I started using it on instances, like other WebApps example invidious, but instances get constantly banned and sometimes you can't use them or rely on them. So yes I selfhosted it. You don't need any special hardware. Docker is very simple to use . I even went further and used an old laptop as server with Linux , installed tailscale everywhere and using funnel (or server if you don't want to expose to internet) got my own domain , with certs, with reverse proxy in one shot. It's a f miracle . Tailscale has full documentation and step by steps guides. I just followed those. If you want to make it even simpler, install proxmox and use containers . They are like tiny Linuxes with their own Mac, IP , etc

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"This is to replace our previous unfair pricing."

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Thanks for the tips

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searx.perennialte.ch has been great.

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Kagi Introducing Fair Pricing