Germans, please go to vote!
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So you can't explain the "privilege"
Being ignorant of their own privilidge is basically part of the definition of priviledge.
But just think about someone that is working "montage" jobs and isn't home two or three weeks at at time. Their voting documents will sit unused in their mailbox.
There is a large group of people that have to use mail in votes because they don't have the time and flexibility to vote normally. This voting option wasn't invented for convenience.
That you can't even fathom that such very common cases exist, shows the level of priviledge you are arguing from.
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What is Borderline Racist about my comments?
The old citizenship laws left millions of people who were born and raised in Germany, who went to school here and who pay their taxes here, and who have never had a home other than Germany without equal rights. So saying you oppose the reforms that finally allow these people to fully participate in our society isn't a great look.
I also wrote that I want a fast path to citizenship for those people, I just said I didn't like the part of the reform where you don't have to give back the citizenship anymore when you pick up another
I want a fast path to citizenship for people who want to live permanently here, or EU Citizens who moved to another state.
But if you take up a citizenship of another state you should loose the German one, unless you have a good point and apply for an exception. That’s how it was a few years ago, and there is nothing unconstitutional about it -
I wrote living abroad permanently. So yes, if you moved abroad permanently , and picked up another citizenship actively, yes I believe you shouldn't be able to vote anymore in Germany.
The majority of German dual citizenship holders are not the ones that live abroad though. They are ones that actively picked up the German citizenship and live in Germany.
And as I said, this type of voter suppression primarily effects German citizen that temporarily live abroad and do not have any other nationality.
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Being ignorant of their own privilidge is basically part of the definition of priviledge.
But just think about someone that is working "montage" jobs and isn't home two or three weeks at at time. Their voting documents will sit unused in their mailbox.
There is a large group of people that have to use mail in votes because they don't have the time and flexibility to vote normally. This voting option wasn't invented for convenience.
That you can't even fathom that such very common cases exist, shows the level of priviledge you are arguing from.
But just think about someone that is working “montage” jobs and isn’t home two or three weeks at at time. Their voting documents will sit unused in their mailbox
You can specify another address where they will send you your ballots. And you can allow a other one to vote on your behalf
But yes, the rushed election date was idiotic. Normally you have 2-3 weeks more.
There is a large group of people that have to use mail in votes because they don’t have the time and flexibility to vote normally. This voting option wasn’t invented for convenience.
As someone working in a hospital I'm very well aware of this. But it was also invented for convenience, because it increases participation, which is good for democracy.
That you can’t even fathom that such very common cases exist, shows the level of priviledge you are arguing from.
In Germany we call this a Unterstellung
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
Yes. Question is - who? All parties suck across the board for me.
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I can't vote right because I'm a human
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I can't vote left because I got too much money for that
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I can't vote black or red because nothing will happen or change, the country will just keep declining
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I can't vote green because these people are actively ruining the country
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I can't vote for one of the smaller parties that would actually fit much much better but they got 0 chance of getting into the parliament and I might aswell toss my vote out the window.
It's just such a sad state of affairs right now. Every major party fucks me sideways one way or the other lmao.
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The majority of German dual citizenship holders are not the ones that live abroad though. They are ones that actively picked up the German citizenship and live in Germany.
And as I said, this type of voter suppression primarily effects German citizen that temporarily live abroad and do not have any other nationality.
The majority of German dual citizenship holders are not the ones that live abroad though. They are ones that actively picked up the German citizenship and live in Germany.
I never objected to them participating in German Elections. I objected to people voting in Elections where they don't face the consequences.
But I still think they should renounce their old citizenship if possible (If your country doesn't allow for it like Iran or Argentina then you obviously need an exception to this rule)
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
I see a lot of negative comments about the CDU here, but I certainly think Olaf Scholz is a bit of a disaster. From a Finnish perspective at least it seems in fact that apart from the Nordics and Eastern Europeans the rest of Europe still doesn’t have their shit together regarding Ukraine and defense in general. I don’t think CDU would necessarily be worse on that front and I do think they might be stronger on the economy too, Germany needs to get a bit more competitive going forward.
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Yes. Question is - who? All parties suck across the board for me.
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I can't vote right because I'm a human
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I can't vote left because I got too much money for that
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I can't vote black or red because nothing will happen or change, the country will just keep declining
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I can't vote green because these people are actively ruining the country
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I can't vote for one of the smaller parties that would actually fit much much better but they got 0 chance of getting into the parliament and I might aswell toss my vote out the window.
It's just such a sad state of affairs right now. Every major party fucks me sideways one way or the other lmao.
So this is the modern voter suppression, everything sucks, nothing will change, so better to not vote at all. And who will gain in that?
Im not saying who you should vote, there is different tools to figure out what party fits your world views.
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well, except if someone votes for a party that gets less than 5%. it's a bit similar with the US elections, when democrats would have won, if ppl didn't vote 3rd party for unrealistic reasons.
Yeah, but throwing out some splinter groups to make a stable government possible is necessary after all, we remember Weimar - though we should not have that threshold at 18 seats by percentage or 3 direct mandates.
On the other hand, I disagree on blaming the democrat loss on third party voters. Third party votes stayed roughly the same compared to 2020 (+0.5 million, not all towards left), while 6 million democrat votes were lost. Democrats simply did not get enough people to the booths with their campaign.
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I also wrote that I want a fast path to citizenship for those people, I just said I didn't like the part of the reform where you don't have to give back the citizenship anymore when you pick up another
I want a fast path to citizenship for people who want to live permanently here, or EU Citizens who moved to another state.
But if you take up a citizenship of another state you should loose the German one, unless you have a good point and apply for an exception. That’s how it was a few years ago, and there is nothing unconstitutional about itYou said that dual citizenship shouldn't be allowed. Do you think that someone applying for German citizenship should be forced to renounce any other citizenship in order to receive a German one? Because that's what the law used to be. And many people had and have reasons for not wanting to give up their original citizenship that went beyond the sentimental (not that pure sentimentality is not a valid reason).
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I see a lot of negative comments about the CDU here, but I certainly think Olaf Scholz is a bit of a disaster. From a Finnish perspective at least it seems in fact that apart from the Nordics and Eastern Europeans the rest of Europe still doesn’t have their shit together regarding Ukraine and defense in general. I don’t think CDU would necessarily be worse on that front and I do think they might be stronger on the economy too, Germany needs to get a bit more competitive going forward.
CDU is only a smidge behind on AfD for being rightwibg shitheads, so no, CDU will be terrible.
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The majority of German dual citizenship holders are not the ones that live abroad though. They are ones that actively picked up the German citizenship and live in Germany.
I never objected to them participating in German Elections. I objected to people voting in Elections where they don't face the consequences.
But I still think they should renounce their old citizenship if possible (If your country doesn't allow for it like Iran or Argentina then you obviously need an exception to this rule)
It is irrelevant to German citizenship and voting rights what other countries consider to do about their nationals living abroad. But most luckily agree that suppressing these votes is undemocratic and counter producive as these people usually still have a strong connection to their contry of origin and are directly involved with it in multiple ways.
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Yes. Question is - who? All parties suck across the board for me.
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I can't vote right because I'm a human
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I can't vote left because I got too much money for that
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I can't vote black or red because nothing will happen or change, the country will just keep declining
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I can't vote green because these people are actively ruining the country
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I can't vote for one of the smaller parties that would actually fit much much better but they got 0 chance of getting into the parliament and I might aswell toss my vote out the window.
It's just such a sad state of affairs right now. Every major party fucks me sideways one way or the other lmao.
So you don't want to vote left because you only think about yourself but also red wouldn't change anything which you don't like. And greens ruin the country? Are you gonna spout shit about the Heizungsgesetz next?
You are making more than 7000€ a month or have more than a million bucks? It's time to pay your fair share.
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You said that dual citizenship shouldn't be allowed. Do you think that someone applying for German citizenship should be forced to renounce any other citizenship in order to receive a German one? Because that's what the law used to be. And many people had and have reasons for not wanting to give up their original citizenship that went beyond the sentimental (not that pure sentimentality is not a valid reason).
Do you think that someone applying for German citizenship should be forced to renounce any other citizenship in order to receive a German one?
If it's possible, Yes. I also think the old exceptions were sufficient . And yes, I think sentimentality isn't a valid reason to keep another one
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Yes. Question is - who? All parties suck across the board for me.
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I can't vote right because I'm a human
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I can't vote left because I got too much money for that
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I can't vote black or red because nothing will happen or change, the country will just keep declining
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I can't vote green because these people are actively ruining the country
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I can't vote for one of the smaller parties that would actually fit much much better but they got 0 chance of getting into the parliament and I might aswell toss my vote out the window.
It's just such a sad state of affairs right now. Every major party fucks me sideways one way or the other lmao.
I agree with you and don't feel that I'd support one of the big parties enough to cast my vote for them in a situation where it's pest vs cholera. But with the right being so clearly against humanity and democratic values I think the time has come to choose either pest or cholera over evil itself.
Usually I voted for a small party that falls under the 5% but this time I won't, just because I'd rather cast my vote for a party that clearly positions themselves against the right and I can agree with in some ways than to not give it at all or cast it without any impact in the actual government. -
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I see a lot of negative comments about the CDU here, but I certainly think Olaf Scholz is a bit of a disaster. From a Finnish perspective at least it seems in fact that apart from the Nordics and Eastern Europeans the rest of Europe still doesn’t have their shit together regarding Ukraine and defense in general. I don’t think CDU would necessarily be worse on that front and I do think they might be stronger on the economy too, Germany needs to get a bit more competitive going forward.
I think CDU is pretty much middle to right ground of kokoomus and persu (both more right wing Finnish parties). And CDU has already taken some AfD point and looking like they would be happy to work with AfD, as kokoomus was first very anti persu, before last election where they set government together.
CDU with other partners would be "fine", but I think everyone's worried is they wanna stay in power and happily take AfD to guarantee their government position. -
I see a lot of negative comments about the CDU here, but I certainly think Olaf Scholz is a bit of a disaster. From a Finnish perspective at least it seems in fact that apart from the Nordics and Eastern Europeans the rest of Europe still doesn’t have their shit together regarding Ukraine and defense in general. I don’t think CDU would necessarily be worse on that front and I do think they might be stronger on the economy too, Germany needs to get a bit more competitive going forward.
From another fellow nordic, I honestly think any vote that is not for AFD or the pro-russian left is good enough at this point. I also think that CDU suck, but the important thing now is keeping fascism and Russian influence down. Other values are secondary for now.
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
AfD declared class war... on the working class. So if you don't go and vote, there's a big risk of that coming to you.
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Just go the vote, and make sure your family and friends go to give their votes.
I'm not local, I cannot vote over here, but had seen multiple times in modern times voter suppression has been a big deal, it's easier to make you not to bother to vote than change your mind who to vote.
I had worked brexit UK, where people voted it due they weren't happy about the PM. As it was good time to vote against him. Without thinking what brexit actually was. So use your voice by voting. What do you wish the future of country will be in this new era.
I know German has issues, as every Europe union contries. If the problems are easy to solve they would have been solved already, don't belive one tag line promises.
I'm just wanna say, as a fellow reddit user. Just go to vote.
please don't fuck up like us americans just did. I mean I did not but ugh, an aweful lot did.
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Unless you were planning to vote for afd. Then you should kys.
Follow dear leader's example
