Marine Le Pen banned from running for public office after guilty verdict
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So presidential! She could be our new president here in the US! Imagine that! First Felon woman president!
Man! We're busting glass ceilings!
Please, have her
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When convicted for embezzlement, someone should NEVER be allowed to run for government offices ever again
coincidentally, according to conspiracy theorists and paranoid schizophrenics.. Embezzlement is the "fake" charge that The Deep state, The Man, The new world order, the lizard people, etc will always bring against the persecuted patriotic good guy.
in other words. the European and Russian far right will say the charges are fake and that its a political witch hunt.
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Not to defend Le Pen but barring opponents from elections is on page one of the fascist playbook.
Nazi Bar Argument.
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Sure, but it needs to be because she actually committed a crime, not as a convenient way just to block someone you think might win from running. I am going to assume in this case she is guilty and was found guilty fairly.
I don't know how politicaly motivated the harshness of the judgment was (and not in a "the politics in power wanted her gone", more in a "the judiciary system realised shit is hitting the fan between US crazyness and Russian influence and decided to take a step and make an example") but the evidence were damming.
Proof is: the defense didn't even try to fight the evidence, rather the interpretation of it and the harshness of the sentence.
Another point to keep in mind: an ex president is being judged for corruption and the sentence requested by the DA is enormous.
Apparently the judiciary system publicly told they wanted to put an end to a perceived leniency on the politics and regain public trust.I'm just afraid this will result in an opposite effect.
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Please, have her
Trump I'd working on that. Either her, a 3rd term, or Felon Elon ....billionaire's clause amendment.
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What? A right-wing politician actually being held accountable for being awful and a criminal?
Never thought I'd see the day. Good job, France!
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Wow so when a fascist oligarch tries to buy your country you are allowed to say NO?
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I don't have an issue with a public servant holding office and having a criminal record. People make mistakes, and people can change. However, I think the fact the current president has made public and copious comments about dismantling the democracy that exists while showing a blatant disdain for the rights of people, that I have an issue with.
Felons for government admin positions? Fine. But the head of a nation? Especially with the powers that the US political system gives? No way. There are plenty of other jobs that can be taken.
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I agree, the nature of the convictions should be a factor. I also agree that a sort of "cooldown" from a conviction would be reasonable, before having eligibility for holding political office restored. I've been leary of the simplified "convicts shouldn't hold office" statement though, since the original intention of that lack of disqualification criteria was, to my understanding, to prevent political imprisonment from barring opponents from holding office. That seems like the sort of thing the current administration would jump on if they could, as well.
The "cooldown" would normally be a stint in prison. Unfortunately he was only convicted but not sentenced.
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Enforcing laws on rich/powerful, novel concept in some lands.
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What you are suggesting is even more dangerous though. Law immunity for politicians is even worse
No I'm saying she should definitely be in jail but rhat shouldn't stop her from being in the election, if she wants.
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For just five years, though. Don't bury the lede.
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And your evidence for the bold claim that the French justice system has been corrupted enough to fabricate and enter false evidence and land a conviction?
What about evidence that french media freedoms have been suppressed so badly that every single news agency has been intimidated into not revealing leaked evidence of fabrication?
I never said it was corrupted. I said in general, courts van be corrupted. See the supreme court of the USA for a recent example.
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Holy mother of false equivalence.
So what’s the alternative then? Just let politicians get away with crimes and elect them anyway? Because that doesn’t seem to be going too well for the US.
The alternative is to punish them like any other citizen: prison or fines. All I'm against is disallowing them to run in elections.
If the people still vote for a convict, obviously the system is broken and needs to be fixed.
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Nazi Bar Argument.
No, I still think she should be in prison.
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Bro, are you fighting this with whataboutism and false equivalency ? Troll detected opinion rejected
Fight the arguments instead if they are so lame.
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Good. In my country, a former PM who embezzled 1.6B is on the verge of being set free, with little in the way of jail time, while a construction worker who stole a loaf of bread got 40 years. Wtf.
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French courts are independent. She will appeal, and another court will condemn her and her friends in appeal.
The evidence is multitudinous and straightforward.
Countries that have special rules for powerful people are the fascist ones.
No one in this thread is saying she shouldn't be punished for her crimes.
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Bro, are you fighting this with whataboutism and false equivalency ? Troll detected opinion rejected
It's not whataboutism if it's on the same topic. I just raised a very real example where this is problematic.
In the near future, I bet we will see the same in America.
And what in this is false equivalency? We're talking about banning criminals from elections, right?
